Kevin Barkley vs Charles Durant thread formerly AtL

[FirstTimer]

Well, who's to say Barkley didn't call up Jordan and say "hey get jerry to trade for me."

To which Jordan just lol'd then hung up.

If serious, I feel like that would have come up by now......

 

[Scoot26]

If serious, I feel like that would have come up by now......

I was just throwing that out in jest.

Hasnt it been said Jordan just mostly used Barkley anyways? Kinda like Barkley thought they were friends but Jordan just wanted to win money from him via bets? I feel like I read that somewhere.

 

[clonetrooper264]

In other news, Tim Duncan announced his retirement today. Not really a surprise.

 

[Naptastic]

Good planning for Pau to move there. Nice title chance for him.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Finally got around to reading this thread. It's very sad that some people don't follow the modern NBA.

 

[FireFox]

I was just throwing that out in jest.

Hasnt it been said Jordan just mostly used Barkley anyways? Kinda like Barkley thought they were friends but Jordan just wanted to win money from him via bets? I feel like I read that somewhere.

They are in Space Jam together, obviously they're besties.

 

[remydat]

Makes sense. When Barkley left the Suns after the 1995-96 season, the Bulls had gone 72-10 and won their 4th title. Instead of going to the Bulls, Barkley went to the team that gave him the best chance to win a title, which were the 48-34 Rockets.

Lets say you are an NBA basketball player with a time machine, and you are given the option of playing for one of these three teams:

1) Team with greatest player of all-time (96 Bulls)
2) Team with greatest record of all-time (16 Warriors)
3) Team with 34-year old Clyde Drexler


Once again, I cannot adequately express how amazed I am at your inability to grasp this topic.

The Rockets were the best team that wanted him and could make the trade work under the cap at the time. They had to trade away a few players to get the salaries to match and were willing to do so.

And not sure what being 34 has to do with anything. Clyde Drexler put up 19.3 PPG, 5.8 APG, 7.2 RPG 2.0 SPG and was still one of the best all round 2 guards in the NBA leading 2 guards in rebounds, 2nd in assists, and 8th in the NBA in steals. Incidentally, Scottie Pippen put up 19.4 PPG, 5.9 APG, 6.4 RPG, and 1.7 SPG that same year. Clyde Drexler PER that year. 20.0 Pippen's was 21. Draymond Green's per this year was 19.3. Klay Thompson's was 18.6. So 34 year old Clyde Drexler was arguably a better all around player than Thompson and Green in what amounts to their primes.

So quoting Drexler's age as if he was over the hill is laughable.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Remy,

Positions don't matter anymore, especially on offense. Stop arguing about them.

Thanks,

Gus.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Remy,

Positions don't matter anymore, especially on offense. Stop arguing about them.

Thanks,

Gus.

bump

 

[remydat]

You're an idiot. The Bulls never gave him a chance as I don't recall any interest from the Bulls or the Jazz for that matter. Do you think Barkley could force the Bulls to take him? Not to mention the Bulls would have to trade like 4 or 5 guys to get the salaries to match which is what the Rockets had to do. So yes Barkley went to the team that gives him the best chance. That team happened to be the Rockets because there was mutual interest. My statement doesn't contemplate the Bulls because the Bulls were never seriously interested in Barkley.

 

[remydat]

Remy,

Positions don't matter anymore, especially on offense. Stop arguing about them.

Thanks,

Gus.

We aren't arguing about positions anymore. Haven't been for a few pages now.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I honestly cannot think of a better team in the history of organized sports to join to win a title.

Mount Union football or UConn women basketball during their strongest runs.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Yeah...one game playoff elimination systems are great!

Doesn't really matter when not a single game played is not a blowout.

 

[remydat]

Yes, your statement is wrong. My statement is correct. The team in 1996-97 that would give Barkley the best chance to win a title was the Bulls, not the Rockets.

The English language allows for the statement to be interpreted the way you did and it allows for it to be interpreted the way I said. Since I'm the one who said it, I am telling you your interpretation of the statement is wrong.

When I make a statement I assume people are going to use common sense. Since we all know the Bulls had a better record and we all know the Bulls never sought a trade for Barkley that was reported in the press, my statement was referring to the fact the Rockets were the best team Barkley could be traded to since they were the best team that showed any serious reported interest.

The Bulls did not give Barkley the best chance of winning because the Bulls never seriously considered trading for Barkley. They were never an option for him. Pretty self explanatory.

 

[remydat]

Barkley never had a chance to go to the Bulls so they could never represent the best chance for him.

You seem to struggle with English. Chance suggest you actually have an opportunity. Barkely never did with the Bulls.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

The real question is: how good were the 1997 Mount Union football and 1997 UConn women's basketball squads when compared to the Rockets?

I would say that Mount Union football could beat the Houston Rockets at football and that the Houston Rockets would beat Mount Union at Basketball. I would bet that Mount Union's football team would beat UConn women at both football and basketball.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

What if Barkley didn't have a chance to go to the Rockets in 1997, and the only team who had interest in Barkley was the 25-57 Milwaukee Bucks. Would Barkley going to the 1997 Bucks be comparable to Durant going to the 2016 Warriors, because both players are going to the team that gives them the best chance to win a title?

In that case, Barkley would have enrolled at Mt. Union.

 

[remydat]

What if Barkley didn't have a chance to go to the Rockets in 1997, and the only team who had interest in Barkley was the 25-57 Milwaukee Bucks. Would Barkley going to the 1997 Bucks be comparable to Durant going to the 2016 Warriors, because both players are going to the team that gives them the best chance to win a title?

Lol, you really come up with the dumbest scenarios. When you were crying about Drexler's age, I already provided the following.

And not sure what being 34 has to do with anything. Clyde Drexler put up 19.3 PPG, 5.8 APG, 7.2 RPG 2.0 SPG and was still one of the best all round 2 guards in the NBA leading 2 guards in rebounds, 2nd in assists, and 8th in the NBA in steals. Incidentally, Scottie Pippen put up 19.4 PPG, 5.9 APG, 6.4 RPG, and 1.7 SPG that same year. Clyde Drexler PER that year. 20.0 Pippen's was 21. Draymond Green's per this year was 19.3. Klay Thompson's was 18.6. So 34 year old Clyde Drexler was arguably a better all around player than Thompson and Green in what amounts to their primes.

So no, the Rockets team with Barkely had 3 of the 50 Greatest players of all time that put up better years by PER than Green and Thompson. They are more comparable to the Warriors than some scrub team that finished 25-57 based on your dumb hypothetical but obviously the warriors had one extra star as they have a big 4 now instead of a big 3.

 

[remydat]

The reason why Barkley's situation is comparable is because he went to the best team that wanted him and that team had 2 of the 50 greatest players in the NBA and Barkley was the 3rd. That has been my point all along hence why you tried to argue about Drexler's age.

It's like you read several different posts but lack the reading comprehension to discern how they all fit. The idea that you would think bringing up a team that was the 27th best team made sense is stupid when all along I have been harping on the fact that Hakeem, Drexler, and Barkley were all time greats.

 

[remydat]

I was never comparing their records so I never said 48-34 is similar to the Warriors being 73-9. The comparison was with respect to superstars. If I say Mary and Sue are similar because they both have blue eyes and you then say "Remy is saying Mary and Sue are similar even though Mary is blonde and Sue is a redhead," then I would say you're being a disingenuous idiot. The comparison was in relation to their eye color not the color of their hair. Nothing is 100% identical.

The specific comparison I made was of their star power. Robert Parrish's PER the year before he joined the Bulls was 13.0 so there is no comparison. Again, you seem to struggle with simple concepts. Barkley, Drexler, and Hakeem's PER all exceeded Thompson and Green the year before Barkley joined. That is what makes it comparable. Despite their age, there were still performing at an all star type level.

I don't know why you can't simply focus on the comparison that was made instead of trying to create strawmen.