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[dennehy]

If this is true I'm guessing Warren wants to fire poles but mccaskeys are hesitant. But Warren convinced them that he needs to be able to fire him if it's restricting him from getting the top coach?

It's incredibly dumb. If that's a concern, Poles should be gone. If Poles truly only has 1 year left then it's definitely a concern and you can't extend him based off his track record, so he should be gone.

Agreed.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

If this is true I'm guessing Warren wants to fire poles but mccaskeys are hesitant. But Warren convinced them that he needs to be able to fire him if it's restricting him from getting the top coach?

It's incredibly dumb. If that's a concern, Poles should be gone. If Poles truly only has 1 year left then it's definitely a concern and you can't extend him based off his track record, so he should be gone.

I think Warren is trying to essentially take over the Bears, more or less.

My take is this:

Warren kind of has a reputation as a "politician" who is concerned about his legacy. He's always looking for the next thing to help elevate his career.

However it came about, he somehow got his way into Halas Hall, and has been working over the McCaskeys (who are known to be complete rubes and totally gullible), biding his time. I think he was likely getting a lay of the land, and I think part of the dysfunction in Halas Hall is because Trace Armstrong has an oversized presence there (to the point where he was low key angling to be the next team president, and was mad he didn't get it, but then pretended he wasn't interested).

Add to that, the McCaskeys can't afford to keep the Bears once Ginny dies and the inheritance tax kicks in.

I think Warren wants to be the guy to not just build the Bears a stadium, but also bring them a winner, win with his people, and facilitate the sale of the team. And if he can do all that successfully, don't be surprised if he tries to parlay that next into becoming Roger Goddell's replacement as commissioner of the NFL, which apparently is his long term ambition.

All of this is based on rumors and hearsay - 100% granted.

But if it is true, he's going to be cut-throat and ruthless in getting what he wants, and if he can find a back door way to rid himself of Poles, another Trace Armstrong guy, I think he will.

That's why I think for all the people who think Warren is an idiot; I don't think so - not yet at least. He has too much riding on this to fail. And as fans, we may benefit from it.


You might think the scenario I laid out is a bunch of crap - but you better hope it isn't. It's literally the one scenario that has a silver lining as a Bears fan....

 

[dennehy]

This has been my burning question for years. You’d think they would have accidentally learned a thing or two at this point.

They have known they were going to do this for their entire lives. And there are what, 13 of them? You'd think one would be able to do it but I feel like I could go in there and in one month be on par with George.

 

[Midway Fields]

A page out of the DBB playbook. The OG fake Bears insider! How many years until MJY comes on CCS to tell me I was right again?

I can confirm DBB’s main source was Ted Phillips.

 

[dennehy]

The obvious problem, again, is that if you fire Poles and Warren hires the coach then you have a GM who is hired after the HC and not attached to him. So you've got brand new HC and GM who are not at all beholden to one another. Which is classic Bears and exceptionally dumb.

I guess you could hire Vrabel and let him choose a GM. But you obviously can't do that with any of the other guys.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I can confirm DBB’s main source was Ted Phillips.

DBB always had a source. Idiot trolls here think that people they don't personally approve of can't have sources.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

If you find any rumors on 4chan please post another thread

 

[Bears Backer 54]

No idea if this is legit, but the approach is such a dysfunctional approach that I kind of believe it has to be what the Bears are doing. If you have that little amount of faith in Poles that your future HC can voice for firing him and you'll let him go, just fire him already. What is the point in keeping him around and making him be this excess baggage that you drag to HC interviews and ask them whether they'd be comfortable with him being the GM. They bungled this whole thing so badly it is infuriating. Thinking you can drag along your GM as a dead man walking through the next season is a terrible idea. Not to mention, Poles is either going to be on such a short leash that he isn't allowed to execute any roster moves he wants or he is going to go into Ryan Pace desperation mode and potentially mortgage the future to try and save his job. Neither are going to get the results we need.

 

[SiDe WaYs]

So poles is safe unless the head coach they want doesn’t want to work with him. Then Warren fires poles and Warren becomes GM

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

The obvious problem, again, is that if you fire Poles and Warren hires the coach then you have a GM who is hired after the HC and not attached to him. So you've got brand new HC and GM who are not at all beholden to one another. Which is classic Bears and exceptionally dumb.

I guess you could hire Vrabel and let him choose a GM. But you obviously can't do that with any of the other guys.

Well, we don't know that. I think it is going to depend on the strength of the candidate they interview. If the coach "has a guy" they prefer to work with as GM, I could see a "mutual parting" at Halas Hall.

I think Warren has it out for Poles, but I think because the McCaskeys are who they are, Warren needs to handle it a certain way to "sell it" to the McCaskeys that he didn't set Poles up to be fired.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The obvious problem, again, is that if you fire Poles and Warren hires the coach then you have a GM who is hired after the HC and not attached to him. So you've got brand new HC and GM who are not at all beholden to one another. Which is classic Bears and exceptionally dumb.

I guess you could hire Vrabel and let him choose a GM. But you obviously can't do that with any of the other guys.

I honestly think the gm/hc pairing that is potentially being leaned into is Agnew and Johnson from Detroit.

This is the bears though, so it's probably Ron Rivera and Leslie Frazier

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I honestly think the gm/hc pairing that is potentially being leaned into is Agnew and Johnson from Detroit.

This is the bears though, so it's probably Ron Rivera and Leslie Frazier

Agnew and Johnson - I can see it.

 

[dennehy]

Well, we don't know that. I think it is going to depend on the strength of the candidate they interview. If the coach "has a guy" they prefer to work with as GM, I could see a "mutual parting" at Halas Hall.

I think Warren has it out for Poles, but I think because the McCaskeys are who they are, Warren needs to handle it a certain way to "sell it" to the McCaskeys that he didn't set Poles up to be fired.

This makes sense, if you mean 'mutual pairing' rather than 'mutual parting,' which I think you do.

 

[Da Coach]

So basically business as usual then

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

This makes sense, if you mean 'mutual pairing' rather than 'mutual parting,' which I think you do.

Mutual parting as in Poles agreeing to leave his position as a resignation.

 

[dennehy]

I honestly think the gm/hc pairing that is potentially being leaned into is Agnew and Johnson from Detroit.

This is the bears though, so it's probably Ron Rivera and Leslie Frazier

Really makes sense.

 

[dennehy]

Mutual parting as in Poles agreeing to leave his position as a resignation.

I don't think Poles would have much say, other than maybe to make it look better.

 

[Runruffshod75]

All head coaching fiascos to the side, both past and present, how does anyone look at the actual product on the field and believe that any GM responsible for it should keep their job?

He was supposed to build this team up in the trenches. He has failed miserably at building up talent on the offensive and defensive lines.

 

[Moses Moreno]

The obvious problem, again, is that if you fire Poles and Warren hires the coach then you have a GM who is hired after the HC and not attached to him. So you've got brand new HC and GM who are not at all beholden to one another. Which is classic Bears and exceptionally dumb.

I guess you could hire Vrabel and let him choose a GM. But you obviously can't do that with any of the other guys.

You hire the best HC and pair him with a GM that he knows and is comfortable with.

See Shanny/John Lynch, Harbaugh and whoever he got to be his GM in LA.

If you're talking about QB development being the number one priority - I don't see how Joe Brady doesn't emerge as the dude. He has ties to NOLA, Buffalo, the old Carolina regime and obviously LSU.

 

[zabavka]

So maybe Poles stays, maybe not?

Some real insider info there...