Latest on Poles from the X source haters love to hate on - Sear(s)Tower

[dennehy]

You hire the best HC and pair him with a GM that he knows and is comfortable with.

See Shanny/John Lynch, Harbaugh and whoever he got to be his GM in LA.

If you're talking about QB development being the number one priority - I don't see how Joe Brady doesn't emerge as the dude. He has ties to NOLA, Buffalo, the old Carolina regime and obviously LSU.

Not sure why you don't hire the GM first and then let him hire the coach. They should know what they are going to do with the GM, not dictate that based on a HC.

This is probably quite different from Harbaugh or Shanny who were already able to do talent acquisition, Harbaugh is someone you trust to run the org, Ben Johnson or Joe Brady, no.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I don't think Poles would have much say, other than maybe to make it look better.

That would be the point - to get Poles to go quietly and amicably. Make no mistake, it would be a termination, but I think in order to save Poles' future as a GM elsewhere in exchange for him not taking shit about the Bears, they'll frame it like a mutual parting and difference of opinion in direction. Warren is a politician after all - its going to be about the optics.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Not sure why you don't hire the GM first and then let him hire the coach. They should know what they are going to do with the GM, not dictate that based on a HC.

The new trend is letting a coach pair himself with a GM he's comfortable with.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

So maybe Poles stays, maybe not?

Some real insider info there...

Consider it like this.


He likely has multiple sources. The ones connected to Trace Armstrong are likely telling him Poles isn't going ANYWHERE, and strongly at that. However, he might have a source that is closer to Warren as well, which is where the exception comes in.

 

[MDB111™]

I think Warren is trying to essentially take over the Bears, more or less.

My take is this:

Warren kind of has a reputation as a "politician" who is concerned about his legacy. He's always looking for the next thing to help elevate his career.

However it came about, he somehow got his way into Halas Hall, and has been working over the McCaskeys (who are known to be complete rubes and totally gullible), biding his time. I think he was likely getting a lay of the land, and I think part of the dysfunction in Halas Hall is because Trace Armstrong has an oversized presence there (to the point where he was low key angling to be the next team president, and was mad he didn't get it, but then pretended he wasn't interested).

Add to that, the McCaskeys can't afford to keep the Bears once Ginny dies and the inheritance tax kicks in.

I think Warren wants to be the guy to not just build the Bears a stadium, but also bring them a winner, win with his people, and facilitate the sale of the team. And if he can do all that successfully, don't be surprised if he tries to parlay that next into becoming Roger Goddell's replacement as commissioner of the NFL, which apparently is his long term ambition.

All of this is based on rumors and hearsay - 100% granted.

But if it is true, he's going to be cut-throat and ruthless in getting what he wants, and if he can find a back door way to rid himself of Poles, another Trace Armstrong guy, I think he will.

That's why I think for all the people who think Warren is an idiot; I don't think so - not yet at least. He has too much riding on this to fail. And as fans, we may benefit from it.


You might think the scenario I laid out is a bunch of crap - but you better hope it isn't. It's literally the one scenario that has a silver lining as a Bears fan....

Inheritance tax? Is that a tweet you read? Do you realize that wealthy people establish holding companies and revocable Trusts or Irevocable Life Insurance Trusts that shelter them and their offspring from tax obligations?

The NFL also ruled in favor of private equity distribution so any tax obligation can be mitigated by selling fractions of the team.

It's a thing. Maybe put down Twitter and pick up Google and educate yourselve before you spin your bs?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

The new trend is letting a coach pair himself with a GM he's comfortable with.

The important thing is that the coach and GM know each other and are comfortable. That it isn't an "arranged marriage".

 

[dennehy]

The new trend is letting a coach pair himself with a GM he's comfortable with.

The new trend for an established coach who can do talent acquisition. Not for Joe Brady. At least if they are smart, which of course they aren't.

 

[dennehy]

That would be the point - to get Poles to go quietly and amicably. Make no mistake, it would be a termination, but I think in order to save Poles' future as a GM elsewhere in exchange for him not taking shit about the Bears, they'll frame it like a mutual parting and difference of opinion in direction. Warren is a politician after all - its going to be about the optics.

I don't think they will care how Poles wants to go if they want him to go. Obviously this was the case for Eberflus.

Also, if Warren wants Poles out and the McCaskeys are keeping him, why would Warren care about how it looks?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I don't think they will care how Poles wants to go if they want him to go. Obviously this was the case for Eberflus.

Also, if Warren wants Poles out and the McCaskeys are keeping him, why would Warren care about how it looks?

The McCaskeys care about dumb shit. Warren would make the Poles separation go off in a way that would appeal to the McCaskeys' sensibilities.

 

[dennehy]

The McCaskeys care about dumb shit. Warren would make the Poles separation go off in a way that would appeal to the McCaskeys' sensibilities.

That's not a mutual parting, that is a firing that looks nice.

 

[playthrough2001]

They have known they were going to do this for their entire lives. And there are what, 13 of them? You'd think one would be able to do it but I feel like I could go in there and in one month be on par with George.

You’re setting the bar low for yourself. I could go in there right now, nap 12 hours a day, and do a considerably better job than George starting on day one.

 

[Luke]

So they will fire him nicely so he doesn't cry too much?

 

[Midway Fields]

DBB always had a source. Idiot trolls here think that people they don't personally approve of can't have sources.

My wife is related to Ted

 

[Anytime23]

They have known they were going to do this for their entire lives. And there are what, 13 of them? You'd think one would be able to do it but I feel like I could go in there and in one month be on par with George.

I just really dont think they actually care. People love to blow that off as a meatball take but they've repeatedly shown that they care more about image and comfort than they do about winning. They're dealing with a business model that does not fail and at the end of the day its about money. Finally a ton of heat is being put on the McCaskey name, so hopefully something actually changes. Firing Flus on Thanksgiving is a nice start. People in the know believe that most of them want to sell but George is holding on for dear life while Ginny is still rolling around.

I can confirm DBB’s main source was Ted Phillips.

That was the popular belief but even after Ted was fired, the dude claimed his source ran dry but was still out there giving "insider" info. Not only about the Bears but he claimed to be in with the Giants and Texans as well. Dude is a total fraud.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I just really dont think they actually care. People love to blow that off as a meatball take but they've repeatedly shown that they care more about image and comfort than they do about winning. They're dealing with a business model that does not fail and at the end of the day its about money. Finally a ton of heat is being put on the McCaskey name, so hopefully something actually changes. Firing Flus on Thanksgiving is a nice start. People in the know believe that most of them want to sell but George is holding on for dear life while Ginny is still rolling around.


That was the popular belief but even after Ted was fired, the dude claimed his source ran dry but was still out there giving "insider" info. Not only about the Bears but he claimed to be in with the Giants and Texans as well. Dude is a total fraud.

Yes, yes, we all know that despite him being right about 80% of the things he said you thought he was a total fraud. We get it.

Thank you for your Ted Talk.

 

[Anytime23]

Yes, yes, we all know that despite him being right about 80% of the things he said you thought he was a total fraud. We get it.

Thank you for your Ted Talk.

Did you forget that after years of arguing with me about this guy that you yourself came here and said i was right?

Of course you did, the only things you remember are the last things you read on twitter. Maybe Lester Wiltfong knows!

 

[Savage Roenick]

If Warren wants Poles fired yet the McCaskeys are hesitant, re-assign him to some position that has nothing to do with GMing/drafting to avoid any GM/new HC dysfunction. If Poles doesn't like it, he'll resign. Win win.

 

[DefNextYear]

Here's the thing - at the very least, this dude has a track record of this year and last year of getting things right.

I've said, at minimum, he's good at reading the tea leaves and making projections for someone else that doesn't want to bother doing that themselves.

 

[Anytime23]

I've said, at minimum, he's good at reading the tea leaves and making projections for someone else that doesn't want to bother doing that themselves.

This is what most of them do and its not hard at all. Where does it look like its going? Predict that and give yourself an out with a couple qualifiers.

Clout chasing the Bears fanbases 101.

 

[DefNextYear]

to fire poles but mccaskeys are hesitant. But Warren convinced them that he needs to be able to fire him if it's restricting him from getting the top coach?

It's incredibly dumb. If that's a concern, Poles should be gone. If Poles truly only has 1 year left then it's definitely a concern and you can't extend him based off his track record, so he should be gone.

I won't say it's a good idea, but I just read it as they value the HC more than the GM. They are probably happy with Poles, but they won't let the perception of his ability get in the way of the right HC. I can see the good in that sentiment... and I can see bad in the process. I dunno. It would be in line with all the random crap that seems to happen in Halas Hall.