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[remydat]

Is there a good reason that this isn't the structure more often? I'm not asking to spread a coach thin and make him do all the work... but the coach can count on the GM to head scouting and work financials among whatever else. They can discuss players and what to do, but the HC makes the final call on the players he wants on his team. It's like college football that way. And ultimately, the HC makes more money than the GM... which means he should have more control and authority. It's a direct vote of importance. Anyway, my first sentence isn't facetious... I'm genuinely curious why a GM has authority over a HC, especially in a setup where there's a president above both of them. To me, HC seems more important to warrant at least being an equal.

Either can work. The point was let's not fool ourselves in thinking if you let the HC decide whether Poles is fired or not that said HC is going to be content with letting the new GM have final say.

If Ben Johnson says he doesnt want Poles and he wants Ray Agnew for example from the Lions then Ben Johnson is the dude calling the shots. So he will likely want roster control. Why? Well Ray only getting the job because of Ben so everyone knows who really running the show. If Ray wasnt willing to let Ben have final roster say then Ben likely doesnt recommend him for the job.

These guys arent dumb. If they get to fire the GM they most likely will say they only comfortable with guys that let them have full roster control.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Don't understand the title of this thread since most here think this may be a reasonable source. Please don't confuse this link with some of the ones you use in other forums.

That said, this guy has a habit of stating the most probable.

Starting to see that he only posts after other media figures post roughly the same info prior to him.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Either can work. The point was let's not fool ourselves in thinking if you let the HC decide whether Poles is fired or not that said HC is going to be content with letting the new GM have final say.

If Ben Johnson says he doesnt want Poles and he wants Ray Agnew for example from the Lions then Ben Johnson is the dude calling the shots. So he will likely want roster control. Why? Well Ray only getting the job because of Ben so everyone knows who really running the show. If Ray wasnt willing to let Ben have final roster say then Ben likely doesnt recommend him for the job.

These guys arent dumb. If they get to fire the GM they most likely will say they only comfortable with guys that let them have full roster control.

Every coach wants full roster control, doesn’t matter who the coach is. Poles has been neutered in that front office going forward.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Either can work. The point was let's not fool ourselves in thinking if you let the HC decide whether Poles is fired or not that said HC is going to be content with letting the new GM have final say.

If Ben Johnson says he doesnt want Poles and he wants Ray Agnew for example from the Lions then Ben Johnson is the dude calling the shots. So he will likely want roster control. Why? Well Ray only getting the job because of Ben so everyone knows who really running the show. If Ray wasnt willing to let Ben have final roster say then Ben likely doesnt recommend him for the job.

These guys arent dumb. If they get to fire the GM they most likely will say they only comfortable with guys that let them have full roster control.

Not necessarily true on Johnson and Agnew. It could just be Johnson knows Agnew well enough that he is comfortable with his vision and trust him to build the roster in the image they both envision. Whereas he has seen Poles is a buffoon who couldn't build an OL or DL if his job depended on it.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Starting to see that he only posts after other media figures post roughly the same info prior to him.

He was saying Kirk's seat was hot a few weeks ago.

He was saying Jones to Minny was a done deal - 50/50 based on Schefty's tweet whether he was right if he was just guessing. Why go on that ledge if you're guessing?

 

[msadows]

He was saying Kirk's seat was hot a few weeks ago.

He was saying Jones to Minny was a done deal - 50/50 based on Schefty's tweet whether he was right if he was just guessing. Why go on that ledge if you're guessing?

I could predict jones to minny after the schefter tweet, he has a better chance of playing and they have better offensive coaching that matches his skillset.

Any dweeb could predict kirk's seat being hot considering he's been fucking trash for over a month and they drafted a rookie in the top 10.

 

[bamainatlanta]

He was saying Kirk's seat was hot a few weeks ago.

He was saying Jones to Minny was a done deal - 50/50 based on Schefty's tweet whether he was right if he was just guessing. Why go on that ledge if you're guessing?

Everyone in Atlanta has been saying Kirk’s seat has been very warm since October. This is not some hush hush secret.

 

[msadows]

Everyone in Atlanta has been saying Kirk’s seat has been very warm since October. This is not some hush hush secret.

Also, wasnt his seat hot from the moment they drafted penix jr?

Ownership wanted kirk and the coaches/gm wanted a young QB. Once kirk started playing like shit its pretty easy to sway the owner

Another example of why owners should stay out of football decisions

 

[remydat]

Every coach wants full roster control, doesn’t matter who the coach is. Poles has been neutered in that front office going forward.

Agreed and the point is you give them the power to decide the GMs fate and they will have the leverage to demand it. So if go that route you might as well give them roster control.

Not necessarily true on Johnson and Agnew. It could just be Johnson knows Agnew well enough that he is comfortable with his vision and trust him to build the roster in the image they both envision. Whereas he has seen Poles is a buffoon who couldn't build an OL or DL if his job depended on it.

Yes it is always possible it isnt true but again I cant really find an example of a HC controlling a GMs fate but not having roster control. Do you have such an example to offer?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Yes it is always possible it isnt true but again I cant really find an example of a HC controlling a GMs fate but not having roster control. Do you have such an example to offer?

Brett Veach and Andy Reid

 

[msadows]

giving ben johnson the option to hire his own GM is the dumbest shit ever and I fully expect the bears to do it.

Thats like having a branch manager hire the CFO of a company. Should go great guys.

Then when ben johnson sucks and the gm he brings in is an idiot we can all blame the lions for sabotaging the bears from the inside.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

@cameronkrazie86 he just won’t let this go will he

Asked for a link several times to this comparison so I could mock them and never received any link showing this. At this point, it seems to be a completely made up claim.

 

[remydat]

Brett Veach and Andy Reid

Reid has final say. This came up when Beane was being hired in Buffalo.

"The Buffalo News has learned that the Bills’ model will pretty much replicate that of the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs’ GM, John Dorsey, has a significant say in the assembling of the 53-man roster, but there is no mistaking that coach Andy Reid is in charge of the entire football operation and has final say.Besides the Bills and Chiefs, the only other team that has a coach calling the football shots for the organization is the New England Patriots, who do everything the Bill Belichick way."

Beane to control Bills' 53-man roster, but McDermott will have final say

When Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula formally introduces Brandon Beane as the team’s new general manager during a news conference Friday, he’s expected to explain, either without solicitation or in

buffalonews.com

In Philly Reid was more involved in the whole operation but now he lets the GM do most of the work but he still has to give his final blessing.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Asked for a link several times to this comparison so I could mock them and never received any link showing this. At this point, it seems to be a completely made up claim.

Just like Dexter is an All-Pro!!!

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

He was saying Kirk's seat was hot a few weeks ago.

He was saying Jones to Minny was a done deal - 50/50 based on Schefty's tweet whether he was right if he was just guessing. Why go on that ledge if you're guessing?

I mean exactly. The people saying "Oh he posts after other people say the same things" are basically spouting shit, because that isn't the case.

Why "insiders" bug people so damn much is beyond me. There are people who have issues with Schefter or Breer or even the big name ones.

If its not your cup of tea, you aren't required to engage - go touch grass or something....

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Also, wasnt his seat hot from the moment they drafted penix jr?

Ownership wanted kirk and the coaches/gm wanted a young QB. Once kirk started playing like shit its pretty easy to sway the owner

Another example of why owners should stay out of football decisions

Conceptually, yes.

Practically, that's like saying a newborn baby will eventually learn to drive, and when they turn 16 saying "see, people knew all along!" when there's literally another guy who was able to nail the day or month it ACTUALLY happened. There's a level of intentional obtuseness when it comes to people trying to discredit insiders who have a good track record of getting things RIGHT.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

What does this mean….

“Poles is making it known he is upset with the current structure”

If it’s what I think it means than this X guy is going against what he already “reported”

 

[bamainatlanta]

What does this mean….

“Poles is making it known he is upset with the current structure”

If it’s what I think it means than this X guy is going against what he already “reported”

Good catch.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Conceptually, yes.

Practically, that's like saying a newborn baby will eventually learn to drive, and when they turn 16 saying "see, people knew all along!" when there's literally another guy who was able to nail the day or month it ACTUALLY happened. There's a level of intentional obtuseness when it comes to people trying to discredit insiders who have a good track record of getting things RIGHT.

No this has been discussed in Atlanta and on their radio stations for quite some time now. This wasn’t some super secret info. I live here and it’s also been on their message boards. Thanks.

 

[msadows]

Conceptually, yes.

Practically, that's like saying a newborn baby will eventually learn to drive, and when they turn 16 saying "see, people knew all along!" when there's literally another guy who was able to nail the day or month it ACTUALLY happened. There's a level of intentional obtuseness when it comes to people trying to discredit insiders who have a good track record of getting things RIGHT.

Because everything he gets right has other sources out there and he's just taking minimal risk guesses.

Believe whatever you want, I doubt this guy has any sources. Reddit believes anyone its a cesspool for shitty sports talk.