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[remydat]

Dont ya think (Remy) that a new Gm who comes in will do everything he can for the new HC? Especially if they already have a relationship or similar mindset. There is no guarantee that Poles will be allowed to give everything to a new HC. Poles is clearly Warrens ***** right now.

If I was a new HC I wouldn’t be worried about scapegoats. I would be worried about having a GM that can provide me with a good roster to coach.

Poles would have to be a moron to not give a new coach whatever he wants personnel wise and no I dont Warren has any real say on the matter.

If you giving the HC the power to choose their GM then I would presume said HC is going to want final say on the draft and roster written into contract like Shanny had. Otherwise what's the point.

 

[Butkus34]

So if the HC gets the option to work with Poles or not, that means that Poles isn't in charge. Warren or someone else is heading this otherwise why have that stated that way. Just fire Poles and have the new GM help pick the HC, or if it's Ben Johnson type or a trade for McVey, etc then get the coach and have them pick the GM, otherwise just let Poles do a real search and get out of the way. I don't want it to be a situation that Poles will only interview people that will keep him, that way we end up with and Eberflus again

 

[DaaBears]

Ughhhhh

 

[dennehy]

Yeah for sure. It's kinda strange how tied the two positions have become in recent times. Like their jobs are somewhat connected, but also pretty different.

GM acquires the talent (with input from what schemes the coach is running)
HC implements the talent

Seems to me like you can judge them pretty independently so why are they so connected at the hip?

Really the GM is also the coach's boss. He is usually responsible for hiring him. The GM is usually in charge of football operations, then there is another guy, president or something, who is in charge of other operations and sometimes in charge of the GM. But imo most of the time the GM should oversee football. So they are tied together in that the GM picks the HC.

 

[PrideisBears]

If I was a new HC I wouldn’t be worried about scapegoats. I would be worried about having a GM that can provide me with a good roster to coach.

Tell em sheep and poles doesn’t provide that

 

[PrideisBears]

Ughhhhh

Agreed. Poles does ignore the OL

 

[Les Grossman]

Really the GM is also the coach's boss. He is usually responsible for hiring him. The GM is usually in charge of football operations, then there is another guy, president or something, who is in charge of other operations and sometimes in charge of the GM. But imo most of the time the GM should oversee football. So they are tied together in that the GM picks the HC.

Yes, I know the hierarchy. I just mean that you can have a GM that drafts well and a HC that doesn't coach well and also a GM that's doesn't draft well and a HC that still coaches well. You shouldn't have to fire them together just because one of them sucks.

(In the Bears case, they both suck)

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Ughhhhh

You'll get an offensive coach and you'll enjoy it! As well as lots of resources into the offense, since they already put a ton in the defense and it's one of the worst units in the league.

 

[dennehy]

Yes, I know the hierarchy. I just mean that you can have a GM that drafts well and a HC that doesn't coach well and also a GM that's doesn't draft well and a HC that still coaches well. You shouldn't have to fire them together just because one of them sucks.

(In the Bears case, they both suck)

I think it can be tough to tell sometimes.

And if the GM is responsible for the coach, that is a part of it too.

 

[wonky73]

The Bears will pick an offensive HC.. or a defensive one.. or maybe special teams...
They'll keep Poles or not.. or maybe abolish the GM position entirely and pick players through ouija.
They'll build a stadium in Chicago or ARlington.. or not anywhere... they'll sell the team or not...

BUT I GUARANTEE THIS.

Whatever choice they make about anything, will be wrong. Welcome to Bears fandom

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Poles would have to be a moron to not give a new coach whatever he wants personnel wise and no I dont Warren has any real say on the matter.

If you giving the HC the power to choose their GM then I would presume said HC is going to want final say on the draft and roster written into contract like Shanny had. Otherwise what's the point.

Well A) Poles is kind of a moron already. B) I wouldn’t be surprised if Warren does have a say. He and Poles clearly don’t click. Will Warren actually allow Poles to do whatever he wants when he’s on the hot seat.

What’s wrong with bringing in a GM the HC clicks with? That doesn’t mean the HC is asking for final say. It means just that…they want a GM they know they can work with. These HC candidates have no relationship to Poles.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

You'll get an offensive coach and you'll enjoy it! As well as lots of resources into the offense, since they already put a ton in the defense and it's one of the worst units in the league.

You’re going to give him a stroke lol

 

[remydat]

Well A) Poles is kind of a moron already. B) I wouldn’t be surprised if Warren does have a say. He and Poles clearly don’t click. Will Warren actually allow Poles to do whatever he wants when he’s on the hot seat.

What’s wrong with bringing in a GM the HC clicks with? That doesn’t mean the HC is asking for final say. It means just that…they want a GM they know they can work with. These HC candidates have no relationship to Poles.

Nor saying anything wrong with it. Saying if I am a HC candidate and Bears say I can pick my GM then I might migjt as well ask for final roster and draft say. Why? Because you already signaled to me that I am the head chef so I want to pick the groceries I will be cooking with as Parcells would say.

I cant think of any HC who picks their GM who doesnt have final say over the roster and draft as that is kind of the point in wanting such control. Why would I pick someone who then has final say over me?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Nor saying anything wrong with it. Saying if I am a HC candidate and Bears say I can pick my GM then I might migjt as well ask for final roster and draft say. Why? Because you already signaled to me that I am the head chef so I want to pick the groceries I will be cooking with as Parcells would say.

I cant think of any HC who picks their GM who doesnt have final say over the roster and draft as that is kind of the point in wanting such control. Why would I pick someone who then has final say over me?

But the Bears arent telling HC candidates they can pick their GM and have final say. It sounds like if they are willing to get their guy then they understand Poles has to go. Therefore they will find a GM who fits with the new HC. More than likely a guy they already have some type of relationship with already or mutual understand of how to build a team.

 

[remydat]

But the Bears arent telling HC candidates they can pick their GM and have final say. It sounds like if they are willing to get their guy then they understand Poles has to go. Therefore they will find a GM who fits with the new HC. More than likely a guy they already have some type of relationship with already or mutual understand of how to build a team.

That is a distinction without a difference IMO.

You are firing the GM because of me ansd going out of your way to hire a GM I endorse. So you have already signaled to me I have the leverage so year I want roster control. At that point if Bears are willing to fire Poles why would they reject giving roster control?

The only way firing Poles doesnt create this situation IMO is if you fire him independently. The minute you tell the HC you are firing Poles to appease the HC, they now have the power. So better be comfortable with that if you go that route.

 

[Anytime23]

I want him to cash out.

We want you to do the same.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

That is a distinction without a difference IMO.

You are firing the GM because of me ansd going out of your way to hire a GM I endorse. So you have already signaled to me I have the leverage so year I want roster control. At that point if Bears are willing to fire Poles why would they reject giving roster control?

The only way firing Poles doesnt create this situation IMO is if you fire him independently. The minute you tell the HC you are firing Poles to appease the HC, they now have the power. So better be comfortable with that if you go that route.

If the Bears don’t want to operate that way then they don’t hire that type of HC. Pretty simple. If Johnson is their guy and he doesn’t click with Poles than it’s actually smart to get a GM that will work with him. Nothing there says the HC wants full control. Only that the HC wants a GM he can easily work with on a daily basis.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

You'll get an offensive coach and you'll enjoy it! As well as lots of resources into the offense, since they already put a ton in the defense and it's one of the worst units in the league.

Literally your best post ever.

 

[Canth]

Nor saying anything wrong with it. Saying if I am a HC candidate and Bears say I can pick my GM then I might migjt as well ask for final roster and draft say. Why? Because you already signaled to me that I am the head chef so I want to pick the groceries I will be cooking with as Parcells would say.

I cant think of any HC who picks their GM who doesnt have final say over the roster and draft as that is kind of the point in wanting such control. Why would I pick someone who then has final say over me?

Pretty sure that part of the official definition of GM is having final say over the roster. So, if you have given the HC final say over the roster and you want to hire a person to be GM, but not have final say over the roster, then teams can block the interview.

Also, due to how the Bears hired Ian Cunningham, there is now a rule that teams cannot hire a front office person like Asst GM until after the draft. Philly was pissed about Cunningham and got the rule changed.

It would be such a Bears move to fire Poles, hire a HC with final say over the roster, than not be able to hire a new GM or the preferred GM because their current team can block the hire until after the draft.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869093463368860095

This is so cute.

This is literally a conglomeration of news and rumors that have come up and offers up absolutely zero inside information.

The first bit is from the Kevin Warren press conference where Warren made it abundantly clear Poles will remain.

The second part comes from the Ian Rapaport NFL network reporting.

The third bit comes from the Albert Breer piece from earlier this week.

It's just a collection of already reported news and information with his spin and him adding sources within the building of which he has none.