Let's Put Theo and Jed to sleep

[Sunbiz1]

Part of the problem is building a contending team with profit in mind. If you put a winning team on the field then fans come to see it.

That is normal behavior.

What has been happening is payroll has dropped and wins have dropped and slowly sales have dropped.

What have the Ricketts done to counter this? Make an offer to Tanaka? Ok that is fine but ya they went with a rental again in the end. Add a bat? No more buy low stuff off waver.

So they did nothing to attempt to win.

What has been posted on Cubs.com? Prospect watch and feel good stories.

Bunch of defections from a bad product on the field.

The reality is they are not finding a winning product. And Tommy says they can win 83 in their sleep. What a joke

Tribune Tommy has been guzzling blue Kool-Aid for well over a decade.

Pretty sure he gets a commission for promoting false hope.

 

[Boobaby1]

I wouldn't exactly say I was excited all 6 of those yrs., unless you count watching sosa hit bombs.
Obviously 2003.. 04-06 was disappointing as they went from 5 outs to a WS down to a 66 win team and zero playoff appearances.
07 they were the tallest midget, winning a bad division with 85 wins and it showed as they got spanked in playoff. 08 they rocked but again disappointed in playoffs.

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What? Yes, 2006 was dismal when they traded away Sosa, but they rebounded in 1 year to go from worst to first.

Also, the 04' and 05' campaign were more of injury riddled teams with Prior and Wood, but that didn't stop the excitement when they added Nomar and Maddux in those years either, and the buzz was still quite heavy in Wrigleyville.

If you think those years were mediocre at best, then you ought to want to commit suicide right now with this 3 year stretch and counting, but somehow, people can find comfort in rooting for a team trying to get within 10 games of .500, but completely butt plug a team because of some abysmal performances in the play-offs.

I find it ironic how people claimed that some posters weren't fans of the team because they seemed to throw Theo and Co. under the bus because of wins/losses, trades, etc...but yet somehow, it seems to be okay to throw a different administration who had success (defined as winning the division) under the bus because of the same things. Am I missing something here? :nope:

 

[chibears55]

What? Yes, 2006 was dismal when they traded away Sosa, but they rebounded in 1 year to go from worst to first.

Also, the 04' and 05' campaign were more of injury riddled teams with Prior and Wood, but that didn't stop the excitement when they added Nomar and Maddux in those years either, and the buzz was still quite heavy in Wrigleyville.

If you think those years were mediocre at best, then you ought to want to commit suicide right now with this 3 year stretch and counting, but somehow, people can find comfort in rooting for a team trying to get within 10 games of .500, but completely butt plug a team because of some abysmal performances in the play-offs.

I find it ironic how people claimed that some posters weren't fans of the team because they seemed to throw Theo and Co. under the bus because of wins/losses, trades, etc...but yet somehow, it seems to be okay to throw a different administration who had success (defined as winning the division) under the bus because of the same things. Am I missing something here? :nope:

Just said I wasn't totally excited for all 6 of those years.
Don't know why your getting all excited here and rambling on about stuff I didn't say..

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[Teddy KGB]

ROFL. Man, people are impatient.

Plus all this nonsense about being lied to by some people.

From the beginning, Jed and Theo said this would be a long process. From the beginning, they said this would take time. They have been on interviews and radio saying the same message over and over, that they will not accelerate their plans because fans "WAAAAAHHHHH-NT IT NOWWWWW!!!!!"

In the meantime, the Cubs went from having the smallest scouting staff in baseball to one of the largest, invested heavily in overhauling their minor league system, and based on a SLEW of trusted independent baseball magazines, sources, and critics have one of, if not THE BEST minor league system in all of baseball based on the prospects they have.

And even now, they are sticking to their plan that it will be ready when its ready, and they will not accelerate, even if fans are impatient and local beat writers and sports radio personalities continue to speculate when this might be.

They haven't lied to anyone, they haven't deceived anyone, and they haven't pulled the wool over anyone's eyes. They have been up front from the beginning and have done exactly as they said they would do from minute one.

Just because some fans want to be big babies doesn't mean Jed and Theo and Ricketts lied. It means some fans are impatient big babies - and that's all.

 

[brett05]

Teddy KGB,

Did you not hear the lines every year is important, every year we are going to do the things to win a World Series?

 

[Teddy KGB]

Teddy KGB,

Did you not hear the lines every year is important, every year we are going to do the things to win a World Series?

I heard the line that their interest is not in one but repeated world series contentions, and Theo and Jed have been up front from the beginning that they will not accelerate the process.

 

[brett05]

I heard the line that their interest is not in one but repeated world series contentions, and Theo and Jed have been up front from the beginning that they will not accelerate the process.

That as well

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[nwfisch]

Just because some fans want to be big babies doesn't mean Jed and Theo and Ricketts lied.

When Ricketts said that Theo and Jed can win 83 games in their sleep, that is a lie, either from him or from Theo and Jed.

 

[Teddy KGB]

When Ricketts said that Theo and Jed can win 83 games in their sleep, that is a lie, either from him or from Theo and Jed.

A lie deals with facts and details. Whether they can or can't is a matter of your opinion at this point. You are not the holder of all things true, despite your desire to be.

 

[nwfisch]

You are not the holder of all things true,

And neither is Theo Baseball, Jed Box Office, or Tommy Nickels.

All are liars, frauds, and disingenuous.

 

[chibears55]

When Ricketts said that Theo and Jed can win 83 games in their sleep, that is a lie, either from him or from Theo and Jed.

How do you think its a lie ?
I wouldn't doubt that when given the go ahead to add to payroll, and actually put out a team on the field. That epstein and hoyer can put out a consistent above .500 team every year.
You all can hate on them all you want but bottom line is epstein made good choices in boston and hoyer added good talent in SD.
They both are pretty good GMs

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[nwfisch]

How do you think its a lie ?

Do I really need to explain how its a lie?

The Cubs haven't won 83 games in a season under Ricketts or Theo/Jed.

It's a lie, plain and simple and the loyal Cub fans like yourself frankly deserve better.

 

[nwfisch]

...

Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts, during a lengthy interview Wednesday on WGWG-FM 87.7, responded to a variety of questions ranging from the Cubs’ patient, long-term vision to create a sustainable level of success on the playing field, to the ongoing business saga with the Wrigleyville rooftop owners and the awkward relationship between the Cubs and former All-Star slugger Sammy Sosa.

“We want to win as much as anybody wants to win," Ricketts said. "But you have to do it in a way that makes you a consistent winner. There are no shortcuts. You can't gamble with your future to have some short-term feel-good trade or signing. You've got to build your foundation."My job is to do everything I can to get a championship to Chicago. If you want to win 83 games for 10 years in a row ...there's a way to go about that. And I imagine (general manager) Jed (Hoyer) and (club president) Theo (Epstein) could swing that today.
Ricketts said he does not get directly involved in player personnel decisions involving the organization's top young prospects, deferring to the wisdom of Epstein and Hoyer.

“It is 100 percent their decisions. I support them whenever I can,” Ricketts said. “You don’t second-guess those guys. You pay them for a reason.”

Regarding the ongoing acrimonious negotiations with the rooftop owners, Ricketts said he is hopeful but he did not want to put a timetable on getting a deal done.
“We continue to keep talking," he said. "We're looking for something that works for everybody. Our goal is to find something that gets us to move forward with the least amount of incremental drama. For right now we’re just trying to work it out."
Asked how his personal emotional attachment to Wrigley Field might impede any hard-ball negotiations, Ricketts replied, "We don’t want to treat Wrigley just like any other park. We want to be respectful to our fans that Wrigley means more to our fans. ... We’re moving forward.”

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...tts-cubs-ricketts-wrigleyville-rooftop-owners

 

[chibears55]

Do I really need to explain how its a lie?

The Cubs haven't won 83 games in a season under Ricketts or Theo/Jed.

It's a lie, plain and simple and the loyal Cub fans like yourself frankly deserve better.

That havent won 83 games because they cleaned house/payroll the last 3 seasons and put their main focus towards the minor league.

When they start focusing on the major league team, thats when we will see the .500 or better team on the field.

They weren't building a team the last couple years, they were dismantling one.

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[chibears55]

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...tts-cubs-ricketts-wrigleyville-rooftop-owners

Dont know what your reading but all I see is Ricketts saying to be consistently successful you can't take shortcuts and basically stick with your plan if you want to be a team that can win at least 83 games 10 yrs in a row. And that theo and jed are guys that can do that for you.

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[nwfisch]

Dont know what your reading but all I see is Ricketts saying to be consistently successful you can't take shortcuts and basically stick with your plan if you want to be a team that can win at least 83 games 10 yrs in a row. And that theo and jed are guys that can do that for you.

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3 years will be in after 2014 and the Cubs still won't have won 83 games in a season under Ricketts or Theo/Jed.

Maybe 3 seasons of failure and losing will be enough to right the ship, but there is no magical amount of losing seasons that turn this ship around.

That's my issue, every season should be sacred, Castro, Barney Shark and Russell are among the few that remain from Hendry's tenure at the MLB level.

At what point is the team completely gutted and ready to win? Because I'm not seeing a winner this year or 2015, and I thought 2015 was when the trips to the playoffs were supposed to begin.

 

[Teddy KGB]

And neither is Theo Baseball, Jed Box Office, or Tommy Nickels.

All are liars, frauds, and disingenuous.

If everyone is a fraud, then why get mad? Its the norm. Pick up a different hobby if you don't like it.

 

[nwfisch]

If everyone is a fraud, then why get mad? Its the norm. Pick up a different hobby if you don't like it.

Not really mad, because I couldn't care less as a Sox fan. Cub fans deserve better. That's all I'm asking and Cub fans argue with me that they don't deserve better than PR campaigns and outright lies and hypocrisy from all levels of management.

 

[Teddy KGB]

Not really mad, because I couldn't care less as a Sox fan. Cub fans deserve better. That's all I'm asking and Cub fans argue with me that they don't deserve better than PR campaigns and outright lies and hypocrisy from all levels of management.

Ah. A sox fan.

That explains it. Trying to rile up the masses for your personal enjoyment...

 

[Jntg4]

3 years will be in after 2014 and the Cubs still won't have won 83 games in a season under Ricketts or Theo/Jed.

Maybe 3 seasons of failure and losing will be enough to right the ship, but there is no magical amount of losing seasons that turn this ship around.

That's my issue, every season should be sacred, Castro, Barney Shark and Russell are among the few that remain from Hendry's tenure at the MLB level.

At what point is the team completely gutted and ready to win? Because I'm not seeing a winner this year or 2015, and I thought 2015 was when the trips to the playoffs were supposed to begin.

No. Your issue is that patg and mountsalami hated the rebuilding process and you saw them as some form of leader; or in their own terms, you wanted to be their sheep.

Note how you went from incessant and annoying poster who did nothing but post faces everywhere to one who does nothing but complain about the front office, bump old threads as if they help you make your point and create new threads just to bait.

Get over yourself and your idols.