Luol Deng or Toni Kukoc who was better?

[Glide2keva]

They used to call him the European Jordan....He was the man when he played for Europe..He had great character to be able to humble himself when he became a bull considering he was used to being center of attention in Croatia..He was a great team guy..He was already a Bull long before he played for them...When Jordan shockingly retired Kucoc was like money in the bank in a savings account...Krause went and took out a withdawl..Talk about early preperation.

Mike and Scottie abused him in 92 during the Olympics in the first game they played them.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

For THIS Bulls team, id choose Deng. They really need him. For most teams, id take Kukoc.

That doesn't make sense...Anything Deng could do, Kucoc could also do and some..Plus Tony could play more position..more versatile..So what makes Deng better for this Bulls team?...could you be more specific??

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Mike and Scottie abused him in 92 during the Olympics in the first game they played them.

Yeah I know, I didn't say he was the Jordan of America..But when he played in Europe he was like there jordan figure in basketball....And yes Scottie and Mike destroyed him..Embaressed him I should say...And Scottie and MIKE WOULD DO THE SAME TO DENG.............
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[BMR31]

That doesn't make sense...Anything Deng could do, Kucoc could also do and some..Plus Tony could play more position..more versatile..So what makes Deng better for this Bulls team?...could you be more specific??

It makes sense to those with an iq over 87.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

It makes sense to those with an iq over 87.

I see...Hmmmm, I guess you can't answer my question then...Ill ask you again, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC AND TELL ME WHY DENG IS BETTER FOR THE CURRANT BULLS TEAM???AND WHY IS TONY BETTER FOR EVERY TEAM BUT THE THE BULLS? In your statement you said that Kucoc was better for everyteam in the NBA except for the currant Bulls and I didn't see the logic in you saying that, especially when you can't give a reason...That's odd!!!!! LoL
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[BMR31]

I see...Hmmmm, I guess you can't answer my question then...Ill ask you again, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC AND TELL ME WHY DENG IS BETTER FOR THE CURRANT BULLS TEAM???AND WHY IS TONY BETTER FOR EVERY TEAM BUT THE THE BULLS? In your statement you said that Kucoc was better for everyteam in the NBA except for the currant Bulls and I didn't see the logic in you saying that, especially when you can't give a reason...That's odd!!!!! LoL
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[RamiTheBullsFan]

That doesn't make sense...Anything Deng could do, Kucoc could also do and some..Plus Tony could play more position..more versatile..So what makes Deng better for this Bulls team?...could you be more specific??

Um, Deng is a better rebounder and much better defender than Kukoc ever was. There is no denying that.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Um, Deng is a better rebounder and much better defender than Kukoc ever was. There is no denying that.

Yes its true that Deng is a better rebounder but not by that significant of a margin..And if Deng is a better defender than Tony, it would be a very slim margin as well.As a matter of fact I would say Deng and Kucoc are equal in both catagories...On the other hand Kucoc was a better scorer who could score in a lot more ways inside and out. Kucoc was a better passer, could create his own shot, could handle the basketball better unlike Deng who has a habit of looking down at his sneakers so he can see himself dribble, and Kuco was a better shot blocker with his wing span and taller height at almost 7 foot...Also I must mention that Kucoc could post up much better than Deng...And once again Kucoc can play the powerforward position, small forward, 2 guard and had point guard floor vision..And most importantly he was clutch at the end of games...Deng and clutch can't be used in the same sentence...
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[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes its true that Deng is a better rebounder but not by that significant of a margin..And if Deng is a better defender than Tony, it would be a very slim margin as well.As a matter of fact I would say Deng and Kucoc are equal in both catagories...On the other hand Kucoc was a better scorer who could score in a lot more ways inside and out. Kucoc was a better passer, could create his own shot, could handle the basketball better unlike Deng who has a habit of looking down at his sneakers so he can see himself dribble, and Kuco was a better shot blocker with his wing span and taller height at almost 7 foot...Also I must mention that Kucoc could post up much better than Deng...And once again Kucoc can play the powerforward position, small forward, 2 guard and had point guard floor vision..And most importantly he was clutch at the end of games...Deng and clutch can't be used in the same sentence...

Yeah we are pretty much in agreement there. I still think Deng is a considerably better defender than Kukoc was, though. Enough to the point that I'd prefer him on the Bulls over Toni. Kukoc+Boozer= bad defense...

 

[BMR31]

Um, Deng is a better rebounder and much better defender than Kukoc ever was. There is no denying that.

Ram, all this guy wants to do is bait people into arguments. He will take the opposite view of you, just to entertain himself all day. The best reponse is to just not repond to him. At that point, he travels to his other screen names, and argues with himself. Luckily, this site does not allow multiple screen names, with multiple Ips. So his only options are, to talk to himself from two IP address, bait posters into arguments, or go to another site.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Yeah we are pretty much in agreement there. I still think Deng is a considerably better defender than Kukoc was, though. Enough to the point that I'd prefer him on the Bulls over Toni. Kukoc+Boozer= bad defense...

You make a great point about Boozer and Tony together...But I wouldn't say that Kucoc would be part of the bad defense...Maybe it would be better if You put Deng and Kucoc together....Tony played the power forward position pretty good....Who would you rather have play together, Kucoc and Deng or Boozer and Deng???? I could imagine Tony and Deng plaing well together..they sure would be a very versatile front court dual.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You make a great point about Boozer and Tony together...But I wouldn't say that Kucoc would be part of the bad defense...Maybe it would be better if You put Deng and Kucoc together....Tony played the power forward position pretty good....Who would you rather have play together, Kucoc and Deng or Boozer and Deng???? I could imagine Tony and Deng plaing well together..they sure would be a very versatile front court dual.

I think you make a good point. I think I would trade away Boozer for Kukoc in a good minute.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I think you make a good point. I think I would trade away Boozer for Kukoc in a good minute.

The only thing Boozer probabely does better than Kucoc is postup scoring..Everything else Kucoc has him faded....But in reality Boozer is on the Bulls so all we can do is hope that he can one day put a serious effort on defense....If I was a gambling man, I wouldn't count on I t because in his entire NBA career he hasn't shown that he can.... if Boozer played defense I would have no problem with him.Its a dam shame because he has talent but not enough disceplin to do the most important thing a powerforward is supposed to do, and that is defend in the paint...:dunno:

 

[BMR31]

The only thing Boozer probabely does better than Kucoc is postup scoring..Everything else Kucoc has him faded....But in reality Boozer is on the Bulls so all we can do is hope that he can one day put a serious effort on defense....If I was a gambling man, I wouldn't count on I t because in his entire NBA career he hasn't shown that he can.... if Boozer played defense I would have no problem with him.Its a dam shame because he has talent but not enough disceplin to do the most important thing a powerforward is supposed to do, and that is defend in the paint...:dunno:

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[houheffna]

The only thing Boozer probabely does better than Kucoc is postup scoring..Everything else Kucoc has him faded....But in reality Boozer is on the Bulls so all we can do is hope that he can one day put a serious effort on defense....If I was a gambling man, I wouldn't count on I t because in his entire NBA career he hasn't shown that he can.... if Boozer played defense I would have no problem with him.Its a dam shame because he has talent but not enough disceplin to do the most important thing a powerforward is supposed to do, and that is defend in the paint...:dunno:

Kukoc couldn't grab 11 rebs a game in his sleep...let's not forget about that.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Kukoc couldn't grab 11 rebs a game in his sleep...let's not forget about that.

Yes he could. Compare Boozers minutes to Tonys who came off the bench most of his career.......:crazydance:

 

[tbo41fan]

Deng...only because Kukoc is Croatian

 

[houheffna]

Yes he could. Compare Boozers minutes to Tonys who came off the bench most of his career.......:crazydance:

I don't care...guys don't just grab 11 rebounds a game. Pro rate Kukoc to 36 minutes a game and he doesn't grab half the boards Boozer would. Boozer is a much better rebounder. Not even close. For you to think that Kukoc could rebound and score with Boozer based on that stats is incredibly far fetched.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I don't care...guys don't just grab 11 rebounds a game. Pro rate Kukoc to 36 minutes a game and he doesn't grab half the boards Boozer would. Boozer is a much better rebounder. Not even close. For you to think that Kukoc could rebound and score with Boozer based on that stats is incredibly far fetched.

Boozer is a better rebounder because that's been his roll throughout his career...Put Kucoc in Boozers roll on the currant Bulls team and I'm sure Kucoc would be capable of pulling down 11 rebounds if needed.....Bottom line is that Kucoc is a more complete player in most catagories... A kucoc-Deng front court would be more balenced..Tony would score more and Deng would step up his rebounding and would have less pressure to score and score a little less...And Tony was a respectable rebounder...point is with Boozers lack of defense, his rebounding is useless when he can't stop his opponat..Kucoc played defense and hustled much better....

 

[houheffna]

Boozer is a better rebounder because that's been his roll throughout his career...Put Kucoc in Boozers roll on the currant Bulls team and I'm sure Kucoc would be capable of pulling down 11 rebounds if needed.....Bottom line is that Kucoc is a more complete player in most catagories... A kucoc-Deng front court would be more balenced..Tony would score more and Deng would step up his rebounding and would have less pressure to score and score a little less...And Tony was a respectable rebounder...point is with Boozers lack of defense, his rebounding is useless when he can't stop his opponat..Kucoc played defense and hustled much better....

Is Jordan a better scorer because that was his "roll" or because he was more skilled at putting the ball in the basket? That Pippen stuff has you over-simplifying the game too much.

Why are you bringing up defense as if Kukoc could play defense? That was a weakness in his game! Kukoc couldn't play defense any better than Boozer can.

And to all of a sudden think Kukoc could just take on the "roll" and dominate on the boards is just plain silly to me. You said look at the numbers. I did, and you are wrong...very wrong. Kukoc would have gotten ate up by Bosh the same way Boozer did and wouldn't have out-rebounded Bosh the way Boozer did.