Luol Deng or Toni Kukoc who was better?

[houheffna]

There's nothing weird about my take on barkley. I readily admit that he's an all-time great. But he could've been sooooo much more. And I'm about winning. Barkley cost himself championships. He has noone to blame but himself.

And as I already stated, rodman would be ranked a lot higher had he not done some off the wall stuff to say the least. I think hell be ranked a lot higher in the next all-time great ranking.

He did a lot of off the wall stuff ON THE COURT! Same as Barkley...yet again, Barkley is considered greater...thinking the only reason Rodman is left off the list is because he wore makeup is being real delusional.

And you are "all about winning"...which means you can't seem to notice that individual talent can be analyzed and compared even if one wins titles and another doesn't? If Barkley wins 1 title is he a better player than Rodman, how about 2? When is he better than Jordan? Did he need 7? 8? You should watch film of Barkley sometime...and see what he could do...

And by the way, saying that Barkley was better than Rodman doesn't mean that anyone is putting down Jordan's teammates. It does prove how great Jordan was.

But when exactly was Rodman a top 5 player? I know Barkley was at his best...but when did that happen for Rodman? I don't remember...

 

[houheffna]

Lol there was nothing in that video that would even give the slightest hint that jordan retired cuz he didn't want to play with rodman and pippen. Nothing. Now maybe I missed something (I didn't) so can you please pinpoint the exact time frame on this video where they say jordan retired cuz he was mad at scottie pippen and was sick of rodmans childish antics.

Cuz all I heard from that espn special, was everything I already knew. Jordan and krause didn't get along, krause and jackson didn't get along, and pippen and krause didn't get along.

I said Smith went deeper...he delved deeper into what was going on with the team. Very few had as much inside info as he did, but some knew about Jordan's unhappiness that season. Because you never heard it...you didn't believe it? Again, believe the fairy tales. Jordan left because he wanted to leave, if it was about Krause, he wouldn't have come back in the first place. Just like I know the story about how the Bulls got Rodman, from someone who was there...but it might not fit the fairy tale so why tell it?

They said on that espn show that Reinsdorf did everything to keep the team together. Krause wanted to make that Pippen for McGrady deal....McGrady admitted it! Reinsdorf stopped it. All you had to do was watch the games that year and it all made sense. Pippen WAS selfish that year...Jordan finished that season with Pippen being ineffective at the end. Rodman became a full time clown. All of that wore thin on Jordan...but again, believe what you want.

There was nothing inconsistent in the piece Sam Smith wrote. I just find it hilarious that when the truth comes out about your heroes, you get upset...get over it.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

He did a lot of off the wall stuff ON THE COURT! Same as Barkley...yet again, Barkley is considered greater...thinking the only reason Rodman is left off the list is because he wore makeup is being real delusional.

And you are "all about winning"...which means you can't seem to notice that individual talent can be analyzed and compared even if one wins titles and another doesn't? If Barkley wins 1 title is he a better player than Rodman, how about 2? When is he better than Jordan? Did he need 7? 8? You should watch film of Barkley sometime...and see what he could do...

And by the way, saying that Barkley was better than Rodman doesn't mean that anyone is putting down Jordan's teammates. It does prove how great Jordan was.

But when exactly was Rodman a top 5 player? I know Barkley was at his best...but when did that happen for Rodman? I don't remember...

Come on guys, why don't you give it a rest...you've been arguing for 4 pages in 2 hours...We get it, You think Barkleys better and 97BullsFan likes Rodman....This is madness....LOL, I guess I shouldn't be so hypocritcal..I've been having a personal attack fight woth BME31 for the last hour so I guess I can't talk...Carry on with y'all Barkley,Rodman war....Good Luck..

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I thought this was supposed to be a Deng, Kucoc thread ....:dunno:

 

[BMR31]

Come on guys, why don't you give it a rest...you've been arguing for 4 pages in 2 hours...We get it, You think Barkleys better and 97BullsFan likes Rodman....This is madness....LOL, I guess I shouldn't be so hypocritcal..I've been having a personal attack fight woth BME31 for the last hour so I guess I can't talk...Carry on with y'all Barkley,Rodman war....Good Luck..

Aka YOU personally attack and i...........

:umad:

 

[houheffna]

Aka YOU personally attack and i...........

:umad:

You seem to get under dude's skin more than anybody...never thought I would see dude get mad on these forums...interesting...

 

[BMR31]

You seem to get under dude's skin more than anybody...never thought I would see dude get mad on these forums...interesting...

:dunno:

 

[Deng Defense Force]

Poor bmr. How does it feel now that you have been confirmed as a complete paranoid trolling fraud?

Are you sad?

Spending a year of your putrid life googling screen names just so you can follow them around to different boards so you can inject your unbelievable fantasies.

Your grand conspiracy is unraveling as your whole world falls apart before everyones eyes.

Behold a day in the life of the one they call bmr...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT0-OL_71yU]‪south park - world of warcraft fatguy‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BMR31]

Poor bmr. How does it feel now that you have been confirmed as a complete paranoid trolling fraud?

Are you sad?

Spending a year of your putrid life googling screen names just so you can follow them around to different boards so you can inject your unbelievable fantasies.

Your grand conspiracy is unraveling as your whole world falls apart before everyones eyes.

Behold a day in the life of the one they call bmr...
‪south park - world of warcraft fatguy‬‏ - YouTube

:umad:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Poor bmr. How does it feel now that you have been confirmed as a complete paranoid trolling fraud?

Are you sad?

Spending a year of your putrid life googling screen names just so you can follow them around to different boards so you can inject your unbelievable fantasies.

Your grand conspiracy is unraveling as your whole world falls apart before everyones eyes.

Behold a day in the life of the one they call bmr...
‪south park - world of warcraft fatguy‬‏ - YouTube

Thanks bro..I really think a lot of people on this board are actually buying in to BMRs crap..I'm glad you and MR.247 came over here to back me up...We have had to deal with his crap for 2 years..The posters of this board are just getting a taste of how slimey and horrific the BMR troll is....Do me a favor DengDefenseForce and go back to ESPN and send private pm to the rest of the guys and get them over here to help finish ruining this BMR trolls credibility...Thanks buddy..

 

[BMR31]

Thanks bro..I really think a lot of people on this board are actually buying in to BMRs crap..I'm glad you and MR.247 came over here to back me up...We have had to deal with his crap for 2 years..The posters of this board are just getting a taste of how slimey and horrific the BMR troll is....Do me a favor DengDefenseForce and go back to ESPN and send private pm to the rest of the guys and get them over here to help finish ruining this BMR trolls credibility...Thanks buddy..

Here come more

 

[Deng Defense Force]

Thanks bro..I really think a lot of people on this board are actually buying in to BMRs crap..I'm glad you and MR.247 came over here to back me up...We have had to deal with his crap for 2 years..The posters of this board are just getting a taste of how slimey and horrific the BMR troll is....Do me a favor DengDefenseForce and go back to ESPN and send private pm to the rest of the guys and get them over here to help finish ruining this BMR trolls credibility...Thanks buddy..

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before everyone catches on to bmr's little game.

All they have to do is go to every other chicago sports board on the planet and see he's had his ip banned from them all.

And dont call me buddy, I only have one thing to say to you...

Kali ma... KALI MA... KALI MA SHAKTI DE!!!



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J5MMagIWsE&feature=related]‪Kali Ma Remix‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BMR31]

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before everyone catches on to bmr's little game.

All they have to do is go to every other chicago sports board on the planet and see he's had his ip banned from them all.

And dont call me buddy, I only have one thing to say to you...

Kali ma... KALI MA... KALI MA SHAKTI DE!!!

‪Kali Ma Remix‬‏ - YouTube

:umad::andruw:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

:umad::andruw:

Just keep letting the gifs talk for you son.....LMAO!!!!!:crazydance::crazydance:

 

[BMR31]

Just keep letting the gifs talk for you son.....LMAO!!!!!:crazydance::crazydance:

:andruw:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

How embaressing..I want to apologize to this whole forum for this guys sickness..If I wasn't owning these trolls so good on espn, the haters wouldn't have followed me here...His mission is to drive me crazy...it is time for me to highlight the ignore button again...I shouldn't have turned it off, but my couriosity on what he was going to do next overwhelmed my tortured soul....

 

[eternityw]

:andruw:

Don't be a troll please, don't go to the dark side.
This is a forum not the troll paradise

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Don't be a troll please, don't go to the dark side.
This is a forum not the troll paradise

I told you so bro..This BMR31 is a real pain in the ass..He got to be the most obsessed individual I have ever encountered in life..Its almost frightning...And people on this forum thought I was bad...Is there a troll paradise for people like him on the internet that's right for him..He might be funny for now during this lockout, but when a basketball season finally starts, its going to be the most annoying distraction youu have ever witnessed..Is there room for BMR in Australia Eternity??
:woot: ..Ill pay for his plane ticket out of here..LOL!!!

 

[97Bulls]

I said Smith went deeper...he delved deeper into what was going on with the team. Very few had as much inside info as he did, but some knew about Jordan's unhappiness that season. Because you never heard it...you didn't believe it? Again, believe the fairy tales. Jordan left because he wanted to leave, if it was about Krause, he wouldn't have come back in the first place. Just like I know the story about how the Bulls got Rodman, from someone who was there...but it might not fit the fairy tale so why tell it?

They said on that espn show that Reinsdorf did everything to keep the team together. Krause wanted to make that Pippen for McGrady deal....McGrady admitted it! Reinsdorf stopped it. All you had to do was watch the games that year and it all made sense. Pippen WAS selfish that year...Jordan finished that season with Pippen being ineffective at the end. Rodman became a full time clown. All of that wore thin on Jordan...but again, believe what you want.

There was nothing inconsistent in the piece Sam Smith wrote. I just find it hilarious that when the truth comes out about your heroes, you get upset...get over it.

Im not upset. I just don't think its true. And that clip you produced said nothing about jordan wanting to retire cuz he didn't want to play wiith pippen and rodman. I knew about the mcgrady trade etc. And I thought that was nixed cuz jordan didn't want to be apart of a rebuilding process.

And I don't see how pippen was selfish. He played hurt and still contributed. He felt direspected, which he was, had sacrificed and was fed up.

Why you feel you need to go off sam smiths word is beyond me. It suggest that your a mindless sheep. Id be more inclined to believe it if it has multiple sources, as with any story.

And how did rodman come to join the bulls? Did the spurs gm have some freaky pictures of krause and reinsdorf together and threatend exposure if they didn't take rodman? You know no more about how and why rodman came to the bulls than I do.

And besides, I know all I need to know. Rodman wore out his welcome with the spurs and they'd be willing to take anything for him.

 

[houheffna]

Im not upset. I just don't think its true. And that clip you produced said nothing about jordan wanting to retire cuz he didn't want to play wiith pippen and rodman. I knew about the mcgrady trade etc. And I thought that was nixed cuz jordan didn't want to be apart of a rebuilding process.

And I don't see how pippen was selfish. He played hurt and still contributed. He felt direspected, which he was, had sacrificed and was fed up.

Why you feel you need to go off sam smiths word is beyond me. It suggest that your a mindless sheep. Id be more inclined to believe it if it has multiple sources, as with any story.

And how did rodman come to join the bulls? Did the spurs gm have some freaky pictures of krause and reinsdorf together and threatend exposure if they didn't take rodman? You know no more about how and why rodman came to the bulls than I do.

And besides, I know all I need to know. Rodman wore out his welcome with the spurs and they'd be willing to take anything for him.

I am sure I know more on the subject than you do...because I know someone who played ball with both of them. That said, I think you need to grow up a little bit and realize your heroes are human, and maybe that might get angry and upset with each other and even want to get away from each other. Pippen was extremely selfish that season. He had all summer to get the surgery needed and he didn't in protest.

You should stop looking at the Bulls as "Scottie Pippen and his Amazing Friends" and maybe look at them as people...regular people. Just a thought.

By the way, I said that they pretty much said everything Smith said, Smith just delved deeper into the team construct. Nobody disputes what Smith said...but you, and others who believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny.