Mack trade retrospective

[Bearly]

A few different ways to look at this.

The Raiders, clearly, have not taken advantage of the full haul that was sent their way---And it was indeed *quite* the haul. In a vacuum, the Bears are better off with Mack than they would've been without him. The unknown is what the Bears would've done with those picks.

The other side of it is that the Mack trade took the gamble that Trubisky was your guy. If Trubisky didn't play up to par, Mack's performance would've ultimately been wasted. That's essentially where we are now. 2018 was a hell of a lot of fun, but the Mack trade---taking Trubisky, the coaches' and offense's performances into account---ultimately really wasn't worth it.

Unless Fields comes in this year, balls out, and leads the Bears to a Super Bowl ASAP, the Mack trade was wasted, and with it a bunch of picks (that the Bears may have fucked up anyway, but still...)

The earliest you could really cut or trade (haha!) Mack would be next year, when his cap hit will be $30 mil and his dead cap "only" be $24 mil. Year after that, it's $28.5M and $11.6M. We've clearly seen Mack slowed down by mileage and injury, and I don't suspect it will get any better, aside from fairly solid play and some flashes of brilliance here and there.

TLDR: It depends how you look at it. Mack delivered his first year, and has been fairly solid since, albeit with some injury and sluggishness included. But taking into account the lack of offensive growth or any deep playoff runs multiple years later, while giving away some potentially valuable picks, it would be hard to say the trade was worth it in the end. Such is life.

I don't really disagree but it was a worthwhile roll of the dice. It's the sort of opportunity that comes along once in a GMs tenure, if that. I know we gave up 2 #1s but we did recoup a #2. I thought the price was more than reasonable for what was attained.

 

[vinson555]

Is this really a shock? The Raiders are by far the weirdest drafting team in the NFL by a mile. You give your 1st round pick to someone and you wanna bet that they will screw it up, but on the Silver and BLack.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Bears won that trade hands down. Problem was Pace picked the wrong QB. Raiders got a middling RB(and other spare parts) that probably won't even get a 2nd contract by the time year 5 starts. Arnette was a disaster last year as well.

The Arnette pick also had a positive effect for the Bears too. It pushed Johnson down enough for the Bears to get him in the 2nd.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Question:
Would you be in the Raiders or Bears position right now?

/ end thread once you answer that

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

Gamble with what? And shouldn't you let Fields take a few snaps before deciding to go all in?

The time to take risks is early on in a quarterback's rookie contract for reasons I have already stated. I'm not necessarily saying the Bears need to go into next off-season with a plan to make another big trade, but if something like that became available, I think they would be justified in making a big move, much like they were when they had Trubisky.

And yes, this is all under the assumption Fields doesn't come out of his rookie season looking like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Question:
Would you be in the Raiders or Bears position right now?

/ end thread once you answer that

If I spend $10,000 on a car that is only worth $5000, does it matter that the person I bought the car from took the $10,000 and lost it all at the Casino?

 

[WindyCity]

Bears won that trade hands down. Problem was Pace picked the wrong QB. Raiders got a middling RB(and other spare parts) that probably won't even get a 2nd contract by the time year 5 starts. Arnette was a disaster last year as well.

The Bears F-ed the timing of the trade.

They made it assuming they had a franchise QB… they didn’t.

2019 I would not have made the deal.

 

[nc0gnet0]

The time to take risks is early on in a quarterback's rookie contract for reasons I have already stated. I'm not necessarily saying the Bears need to go into next off-season with a plan to make another big trade, but if something like that became available, I think they would be justified in making a big move, much like they were when they had Trubisky.

And yes, this is all under the assumption Fields doesn't come out of his rookie season looking like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

Or Marcus Mariota, of Mitch Trubisky, or Joey Harrington, or Christian Ponder, or EJ manual, or Jake Locker. or Blake Bortles, or Josh Rosen, or Blaine Gabbert, or RG3. or Sam Bradford.

Bears only have 5 draft picks in 2022, with no first or 4th round picks. So, assuming JF looks good, what moves do they make to go "all in". Trade away more future draft capital, or sign some more aging vets to overpaid contracts in FA?

 

[jbunch14]

Um ok all your base are belong to us

Yayyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PrideisBears]

Bears won that trade hands down. Problem was Pace picked the wrong QB. Raiders got a middling RB(and other spare parts) that probably won't even get a 2nd contract by the time year 5 starts. Arnette was a disaster last year as well.

This. Raiders have done jack shit since the Mack trade. Losing seasons and a mediocre one.

Bears have been to the playoffs twice and Mack is our defensive anchor

 

[bamainatlanta]

This. Raiders have done jack shit since the Mack trade. Losing seasons and a mediocre one.

Bears have been to the playoffs twice and Mack is our defensive anchor

This isn't a hard question. Bears are still in a better position to make the playoffs than the Raiders and yet people still ponder if the Raiders won this trade. I'd rather take Monty, Mooney and JJ over Annette, Jacobs & Edwards

 

[BriGuy]

The Arnette pick also had a positive effect for the Bears too. It pushed Johnson down enough for the Bears to get him in the 2nd.

As a huge Buckeye fan I can say this. Arnette came in with Denzel Ward in that years recruiting class. As freshman both saw playing time. Both looked bad early in the year but Ward really took off as the year went on. Arnette was not good. Not the next year or the next year or after that. His last year he became a pretty good corner and one of the best tacklers as a db I can remember. But I personally thought he was maybe a 4th rounder at best. He was never as good a cover corner as like a Ward Roby Apple Lattimore or Okudah. He pissed me off more than anything else. So if somehow he is connected to the Mack trade Chicago was involved in, the Raiders lost big time

 

[vabearsfan15]

Raiders will still try and claim they won the trade because they try to count all the players they picked up in free agency with the extra cap space. So yeah, if you compare Mack to multiple draft picks and free agents, you can make yourself feel better about doing the trade.

At the end of the day since the trade happened:
Raiders 19 - 29, 0 playoff appearances
Bears 28 - 20, x2 playoff appearances

Plus, with Justin Fields on a rookie deal, I'd much rather have our roster over theirs. Plus, not sure their GM knows how to evaluate talent as he just like to reach for Alabama and Clemson players

 

[bamainatlanta]

Raiders will still try and claim they won the trade because they try to count all the players they picked up in free agency with the extra cap space. So yeah, if you compare Mack to multiple draft picks and free agents, you can make yourself feel better about doing the trade.

At the end of the day since the trade happened:
Raiders 19 - 29, 0 playoff appearances
Bears 28 - 20, x2 playoff appearances

Plus, with Justin Fields on a rookie deal, I'd much rather have our roster over theirs. Plus, not sure their GM knows how to evaluate talent as he just like to reach for Alabama and Clemson players

bUT tHeY HaVe DErEk CaRR

Never change CCS.

 

[EDPeezy]

I don’t think you should look at it from a results oriented perspective. I.e. “They got this specific player with that pick.”

The trade is either good or bad the moment it’s made. What results from that is in many ways largely irrelevant.

Gruden And Mayock sucking at picking guys doesn’t factor in to whether the trade is good or bad.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I don’t think you should look at it from a results oriented perspective. I.e. “They got this specific player with that pick.”

The trade is either good or bad the moment it’s made. What results from that is in many ways largely irrelevant.

Gruden And Mayock sucking at picking guys doesn’t factor in to whether the trade is good or bad.

^^ exactly^^

so what is the question?

Which team "won" the trade

or

Was the trade worth it for the Bears?

the Bears traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round picks, a sixth-round pick in 2019, and a third-round pick in 2020 to acquire Mack when the Raiders played in Oakland

2 1sts, a 6th, and a third.

Plus about 80 mil in cap space spread out over 4 years

that is a lot of ammo for 2 one and done playoff appearances

Not to mention the Bears draft slots might have been a few places higher in 2018 and 2019 at least.

 

[WindyCity]

The free agents they signed are all off the team.

Brown, Joyner, Tyrell Williams all sucked.

 

[iueyedoc]

^^ exactly^^

so what is the question?

Which team "won" the trade

or

Was the trade worth it for the Bears?

the Bears traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round picks, a sixth-round pick in 2019, and a third-round pick in 2020 to acquire Mack when the Raiders played in Oakland

2 1sts, a 6th, and a third.

Plus about 80 mil in cap space spread out over 4 years

that is a lot of ammo for 2 one and done playoff appearances

Not to mention the Bears draft slots might have been a few places higher in 2018 and 2019 at least.

It was 2 1sts, a 6th, and a third for Mack, a 2nd, and a 7th.

You can't even post purposefully incorrect bullshit tactfully.

 

[nc0gnet0]

It was 2 1sts, a 6th, and a third for Mack, a 2nd, and a 7th.

You can't even post purposefully incorrect bullshit tactfully.

lol, cry me a river. Blame it on your own fan site.

Chicago Bears: 5 Landing spots for Khalil Mack if the Bears trade him

The Chicago Bears will be a franchise looking to rebuild during the 2021 offseason. A trade featuring Khalil Mack could help towards the future.

beargoggleson.com

"Looking back, the Bears traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round picks, a sixth-round pick in 2019, and a third-round pick in 2020 to acquire Mack when the Raiders played in Oakland. Fans enjoyed a short-lived playoff berth in 2018 when the Bears lost in the wildcard round and nothing much since then."

But hey, I am sure that 2nd and 7th changes everything. Lol.

 

[EDPeezy]

I don’t know why people think there has to be a winner and a loser. Who won what? Mack is probably overpaid compared to what he’s produced. The Raiders blew the picks.

The Raiders made the better move. It’s been proven over and over again that big contracts for defensive line guys usually don’t pay off and acquiring high picks like that so you get good young players on rookie deals works. It hasn’t been bad with Mack. But Chicago would be better off out of his contract. The formula says to do what the Raiders did and not what Chicago did.

All this other stuff concerning what the Raiders do with those picks or extra cap space is irrelevant to the question of who won the trade.

And team records is laughably irrelavant. As if these franchises results over the last few years all go back to one trade. I mean seriously, that’s the logic you’re using to grade a trade? So Tampa can’t lose a trade now? Kansas City? They just automatically win every trade? Subsequently do the Jets by default lose every trade?