Mack trade retrospective

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Bears won that trade hands down. Problem was Pace picked the wrong QB. Raiders got a middling RB(and other spare parts) that probably won't even get a 2nd contract by the time year 5 starts. Arnette was a disaster last year as well.

revisionist history.

i think the players picked with those picks shouldn’t have any merit when discussing the actual trade.

 

[bamainatlanta]

revisionist history.

i think the players picked with those picks shouldn’t have any merit when discussing the actual trade.

Lmao. This makes no sense. They won the trade because they got picks, cap space and free agents but they blew them all & it amounted to a 20-28 3 season record. Never go full Special person. There is literally nothing that has been revised about what they did with those assets acquired

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Raiders wasted that haul. But we haven’t got our money’s worth from Mack, either…

The difference is, Mack not living up to his contract puts him at the level of a high to mid-level starter. All of the raider picks are busts.

And while I would agree that after losing to the Raiders the first time the Bears played them with Mack on the team, Mack has not been the same since, he also has been far from a bust either.

We still won the trade handily. Although I do agree with the argument that he hasn't lived up to his reputation aside from when he first got here.

I really do think that game of Bears versus Raiders screwed with his head and he hasn't been right since.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Lmao. This makes no sense. They won the trade because they got picks, cap space and free agents but they blew them all & it amounted to a 20-28 3 season record. Never go full Special person. There is literally nothing that has been revised about what they did with those assets acquired

if a smarter team had those picks, they would have drafted better players, but that haul would have been the exact same. it’s a false equivalency.

 

[bamainatlanta]

if a smarter team had those picks, they would have drafted better players, but that haul would have been the exact same. it’s a false equivalency.

If if if.
In other words, you have a moot point.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

If if if.
In other words, you have a moot point.

a draft pick is nothing more than opportunity, just because a draft pick flops doesn’t diminish the size of the investment into said player.

 

[bamainatlanta]

a draft pick is nothing more than opportunity, just because a draft pick flops doesn’t diminish the size of the investment into said player.

Keep dealing in hypothetical. I'll base the results off of real world results, millennial. But keep trying, I'm sure it will get you somewhere

 

[FozzyBear]

What if they both lost

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Keep dealing in hypothetical. I'll base the results off of real world results, millennial. But keep trying, I'm sure it will get you somewhere

the draft picks were the result of the trade, boomer.

sorry you’re too stubborn and hard headed to see that

 

[Bearly]

if a smarter team had those picks, they would have drafted better players, but that haul would have been the exact same. it’s a false equivalency.

but when you discus who won, it's the team that got more out of it. That's easily the Bear. Bears paid a lot but if they didn't, Mack would likely still be a Raider or hit FA the next year. Would you trade him for a mid round 1,2 and 3? If not, you approve. If so, you don't. We got Kmet with the 2nd we received.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

but when you discus who won, it's the team that got more out of it. That's easily the Bear. Bears paid a lot but if they didn't, Mack would likely still be a Raider or hit FA the next year. Would you trade him for a mid round 1,2 and 3? If not, you approve. If so, you don't. We got Kmet with the 2nd we received.

and i’m not arguing that.

im arguing that you can’t judge the haul the raiders got by what they did with that haul. those are 2 separate conversations.

 

[bamainatlanta]

and i’m not arguing that.

im arguing that you can’t judge the haul the raiders got by what they did with that haul. those are 2 separate conversations.

Sorry. They aren't. You are dealing in a purely hypothetical world which is 100% meaningless.

 

[TL1961]

Idc what anyone says i like jon gruden

I like that he no longer is on TV as an analyst, and I like that he doesn't coach the Bears.

 

[TL1961]

If I spend $10,000 on a car that is only worth $5000, does it matter that the person I bought the car from took the $10,000 and lost it all at the Casino?

A lot of Bears fans here don't appreciate Mack's value, but leave it to the Lions fan to imply the Bears paid twice what Mack was worth.

Not even close.

 

[remydat]

Interesting take, but do you really think Mack's collective production over 2018, 2019, and 2020 warrants a #3 overall, and shouldn't cap cost also be factored into the equation?

Not only would the Bears still have had the draft capital they traded way, but some more cap space in those years as well.

How many No 3 picks have produced more than Mack over a 3 year span?

The probablity of No 3 picks producing like Mack is well below 50%.

 

[bamainatlanta]

How many No 3 picks have produced more than Mack over a 3 year span?

The probablity of No 3 picks producing like Mack is well below 50%.

Being a Lions fan, you would think he would know this

 

[remydat]

and i’m not arguing that.

im arguing that you can’t judge the haul the raiders got by what they did with that haul. those are 2 separate conversations.

You also cant judge the Mack trade based on the fact Trubs ends up sucking.

Those are 2 separate conversations if we applying your logic.

 

[WindyCity]

I would only make the Mack trade for a future HOF player.

He is that.

The issue was the timing. Mitch sucked and we wasted 3 years of Mack’s prime figuring that out. If we had more clarity of how ass Mitch was going to be it would have made the trade more/less of a slam dunk.

 

[Enasic]

I would only make the Mack trade for a future HOF player.

He is that.

The issue was the timing. Mitch sucked and we wasted 3 years of Mack’s prime figuring that out. If we had more clarity of how ass Mitch was going to be it would have made the trade more/less of a slam dunk.

A real QB would have made a big difference but at the same time, Mack has been a part of some run of the mill defenses the last two years. Last season in particular. It’s not all on Mack, but when you give up that capital and $$ you would hope to see a better defense being led by a HoF player

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

You also cant judge the Mack trade based on the fact Trubs ends up sucking.

Those are 2 separate conversations if we applying your logic.

i agree.