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there is about 25 guys that are nhl worthy and would be great additions to any team. Alot and I mean alot of nhl players would rather play in the KHL. The KHL is loaded with talent for scouts to watch, but they arent able to nab them mainly because they love the KHL. Even guys like OVIE and kovalchuk have contemplated just playing there. nabakov said **** the nhl im just going to go to the khl. nabby would be a number 1 on most teams and that includes your blackhawks.

The thread is made because of his brother and how well he plays alongside his brother.

Dews, they said this stupid shit as leverage. Ovie wants to play in the next Olympics, which the NHL is considering not stopping for in the middle of their season the next time around, so he laid down that threat. As for Kovy, well, it's obvious what he got out of NJ by his threat. They understand full well if they want to compete with the best in the world, they have to be in NA. Nabby couldn't get the contract he wanted here in NA, so off he went. Remember the goalie market?

The KHL is almost, almost on par with the AHL here.
 

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Doubt the NHL does this now, look at all the media Ryan Miller got the NHL in the olympics. Friends i have who hate hockey know who Ryan Miller is and where he plays
 

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Dews, they said this stupid shit as leverage. Ovie wants to play in the next Olympics, which the NHL is considering not stopping for in the middle of their season the next time around, so he laid down that threat. As for Kovy, well, it's obvious what he got out of NJ by his threat. They understand full well if they want to compete with the best in the world, they have to be in NA. Nabby couldn't get the contract he wanted here in NA, so off he went. Remember the goalie market?

The KHL is almost, almost on par with the AHL here.

sure players use it as leverage. i agree with that. i do not agree with the khl being compared to the ahl.

as i remember the goalie market being saturated with avg goalies.
 

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Dews, they said this stupid shit as leverage. Ovie wants to play in the next Olympics, which the NHL is considering not stopping for in the middle of their season the next time around, so he laid down that threat. As for Kovy, well, it's obvious what he got out of NJ by his threat. They understand full well if they want to compete with the best in the world, they have to be in NA. Nabby couldn't get the contract he wanted here in NA, so off he went. Remember the goalie market?

The KHL is almost, almost on par with the AHL here.

sure players use it as leverage. i agree with that. i do not agree with the khl being compared to the ahl.

as i remember the goalie market being saturated with avg goalies.

I have to agree, again those guys in the KHL proved it in the olympics. Also the talks between a KHL and NHL merger have been discussed too
 

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sure players use it as leverage. i agree with that. i do not agree with the khl being compared to the ahl.

as i remember the goalie market being saturated with avg goalies.

Don't forget that the teams with cap space didn't have cash to spend and the teams with cash to spend didn't have cap space.

There really was no place for him to go here in NA if he didn't want to take a undeserved pay cut.
 

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NHL, KHL still can't agree on much - NHL - Yahoo! Sports

"By Nicholas J. Cotsonika, Yahoo! Sports
Aug 24, 6:05 pm EDT

ShareretweetEmailPrintTORONTO – Slava Fetisov fought to leave the Soviet Union so he could play in the National Hockey League. He finished his Hall of Fame career by winning back-to-back Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings. In 1997, he helped bring the Cup to Russia for the first time ever.

Now he imagines bringing another prize back home.

“The main competition would be champion of the KHL and NHL playing for the Super Cup,” said Fetisov, chairman of the Kontinental Hockey League. “That’s my vision.”

More From Nicholas J. Cotsonika

It is a vision similar to others at the World Hockey Summit. Europeans want to be on par with the NHL, not trailing behind it on the other side of the globe, out of sight, out of mind. It is part dream, part defiance.


IIHF president Rene Fasel supports competition between NHL and European teams, but not expansion.

(Gerry Broome/AP Photo)
A progressive idea among North Americans has been an NHL division in Europe. Well, listen to how IIHF president Rene Fasel reacted to that during a Q&A session Tuesday at the Air Canada Centre.

“Try to come,” Fasel said. “Good luck. This is our territory, and I will fight like hell and not allow anybody to come from abroad. I think in Europe we are strong enough to do something on our own and then have the competition between Europe and North America. That makes the fan happy. That’s really what we should do.”

Fasel said having a European champion play the Stanley Cup winner “would be music.” The NHL is singing a different tune, however. Deputy commissioner Bill Daly said that while the league respects the IIHF, “we’re going to do what’s best for the National Hockey League and our clubs when and if we ever view that to be appropriate.”

At this point, a transoceanic championship is a far-away fantasy. The talk is so speculative that Daly included the words “when,” “if” and “ever” in his rebuttal. But it illustrates the feelings Europeans have about the state of the game as more immediate issues are debated, and it puts the NHL in a sticky spot.

It’s hard not to sympathize with the Europeans, as their best players leave home – at early ages, hampering their home leagues – to play overseas.

“My message here in North America: You are not alone in the world,” Fasel said. “Europe is existing on the other side, and they love the game as much. Give us some consideration.”

But the more Fasel said “it’s not a money thing,” the more it seemed like a money thing. And what is the NHL going to do, cede its spot as the world’s top league?

The Europeans, especially the Russians, want the NHL to help them develop so they can compete with the NHL. In the short term, it makes sense for the NHL to play along, because the European leagues are supplying them with players. But what about the long term? What if the European leagues are strong enough to keep those players someday?

Speaking of the Russians and the KHL, Daly said: “They view themselves, as you know, at the current time, the second-biggest and most successful professional hockey league in the world, and they want to work within that construct to get even better. They want to look to us to help to do that.”

Why is that in the NHL’s interest?

“That’s a good question,” Daly said, pausing to find the right words before continuing. “In isolation, or the broadness of that question, it probably doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to do that.

“Having said that, we do want to be good partners in the hockey world. We do get a significant number of players and good player talent from the Russian league, just as we do from other European leagues, and we’ve always tried to work with those leagues to make sure hockey remains strong in all areas of the world, because it ultimately benefits the National Hockey League.”

The NHL used to have a transfer agreement with the IIHF, allowing its clubs to sign players under contract in Europe for a flat fee. That agreement is gone. The NHL has struck agreements with individual countries such as Sweden and Finland, and Fasel said other countries will realize that “50 percent of something is better than 100 percent of nothing.” But the Russians want more.

Fetisov said the KHL wants a partnership with the NHL after years of rocky relations. The sides signed a memorandum of understanding this year to respect each others’ contracts. The NHL will play games against Russian league teams for the first time in two decades this preseason when the Carolina Hurricanes face SKA St. Petersburg and the Phoenix Coyotes play Dinamo Riga.

Still, at the same time, the Russians are trying to bring home their stars – signing free-agent goaltender Evgeni Nabokov(notes), for example – and won’t let their future stars leave without a fight. If the NHL wants a player of the caliber of Capitals star Alex Ovechkin(notes), the Russians want proportional compensation.

“First of all, we came here to show we’re going to do everything in our power to protect our league, the clubs, and not let players go almost for free to play anywhere else,” Fetisov said. “Money is not what we want right now. But in the future, if you want to get a good player, you have to pay.”

And so the partnership between the NHL and KHL is in its infancy, at best. Daly said the games between the NHL teams and Russian teams represented “a baby step.” He said the relationship between the leagues was improving, but “you have to walk before you can run.”

The Europeans, especially the Russians, have a lot of growing to do before they will be able to compete with the NHL. The KHL has some money to sign some players, but not enough economic power to rival the NHL. Daly doesn’t seem worried. He said the sides have had no specific conversations about bringing KHL teams to play NHL teams in North America, let alone for a Super Cup.

“I think with time that’s certainly the environment they’d like to see happen,” Daly said. “I continue to believe that the National Hockey League will be the premier professional hockey league in the world for the foreseeable future and the best players in the world will continue to want to play here, and that’s certainly been the case to date. I expect it to continue to be the case.”
 

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I have to agree, again those guys in the KHL proved it in the olympics. Also the talks between a KHL and NHL merger have been discussed too

Wait, what? Timeout. The 3 top teams in 2010 Olympics had like 1 non-NHLer.

Edit - Ok, in some fact checking - Finland had 3 or 4 KHLers to be exact.
 
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He just decided to play in the KHL because he felt like it would be more fun?

You do know the RSL (KHL) is a very competitive league and has been for some time. Since the hard salary cap teams have not been paying veteran players what they are worth and have been relying on young players on ELCs, those veterans more times than not end up in the RSL.

For people who did not just discover hockey 2 years ago when the Hawks became relevant you would know Marcel Hossa is a very talented player. In fact his skill set is much like his brothers (great hands, good size, strong skater, above average shot), his problem has been he does not know how to use his size like Marian and also is a lazy player who refuses to get dirty in the corners.

The reason Marcel is excelling in the RSL is because his play style fits better on the open european ice surface. The same thing will happen to Alexei Kovalev, he might be the most talented player in the NHL, his statistics will sky rocket if he plays in the RSL late in his career because his game is more suited toward the style of play.
 

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Czech carried 5
Russia carried 11
Latvia carried 16
Slovokia carried 8
 

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You do know the RSL (KHL) is a very competitive league and has been for some time. Since the hard salary cap teams have not been paying veteran players what they are worth and have been relying on young players on ELCs, those veterans more times than not end up in the RSL.

For people who did not just discover hockey 2 years ago when the Hawks became relevant you would know Marcel Hossa is a very talented player. In fact his skill set is much like his brothers (great hands, good size, strong skater, above average shot), his problem has been he does not know how to use his size like Marian and also is a lazy player who refuses to get dirty in the corners.

The reason Marcel is excelling in the RSL is because his play style fits better on the open european ice surface. The same thing will happen to Alexei Kovalev, he might be the most talented player in the NHL, his statistics will sky rocket if he plays in the RSL late in his career because his game is more suited toward the style of play.

I agree 100% with your post, he has a tad bit of lazyness, and never got to show his true talents by playing behind those stars in their prime during his days in Montreal. But when he did use his size and speed they guy was amazing to watch
 

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Russia was half and half, Slovakia had a handful, Czech had another handful

And those teams lost. 23 were the rosters (not counting backups): Russia was under half KHLers (9); Slovakia (8); Czech had 1 who played a far majority of his career as a NHLer...I'd count that as zero....err 5. :D

You do know the RSL (KHL) is a very competitive league and has been for some time. Since the hard salary cap teams have not been paying veteran players what they are worth and have been relying on young players on ELCs, those veterans more times than not end up in the RSL.

For people who did not just discover hockey 2 years ago when the Hawks became relevant you would know Marcel Hossa is a very talented player. In fact his skill set is much like his brothers (great hands, good size, strong skater, above average shot), his problem has been he does not know how to use his size like Marian and also is a lazy player who refuses to get dirty in the corners.

The reason Marcel is excelling in the RSL is because his play style fits better on the open european ice surface. The same thing will happen to Alexei Kovalev, he might be the most talented player in the NHL, his statistics will sky rocket if he plays in the RSL late in his career because his game is more suited toward the style of play.

So you're agreeing that bringing him over to NA on NA ice would be a bad idea as his style and ice isn't a good fit?
 
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And those teams lost. 23 were the rosters (not counting backups): Russia was under half KHLers (9); Slovakia (8); Czech had 1 who played a far majority of his career as a NHLer...I'd count that as zero....err 5. :D



So you're agreeing that bringing him over to NA on NA ice would be a bad idea as his style and ice isn't a good fit?

Never said they played in the NHL, the point was that they made olympic teams over NHL guys. I beleive there was some KHL teams who beat the NHL teams in Pre-season. so to say its not competitive with the NHL is false
 

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So you're agreeing that bringing him over to NA on NA ice would be a bad idea as his style and ice isn't a good fit?

Marcel has always had the skill and potential to be a top six type player in the NHL but he never played consistently. I think it makes sense for him to stay in Kazan because he is making more money and has had more success on EU ice. There is the chance Marcel's game has gotten to a point where he could be a consistent contributor in the NHL but I don't think any team will pay him over what is he making in the KHL to see if that is the case.

I think it is time to see if Jeremy Morin can contribute, we need more production from the left side.
 
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Well since the Russian roster only has 20 skaters and 2 goalies listed, 9 is almost half of the team.
 

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Marcel has always had the skill and potential to be a top six type player in the NHL but he never played consistently. I think it makes sense for him to stay in Kazan because he is making more money and has had more success on EU ice. The is the chance Marcel's game has gotten to a point where he could be a consistent contributor in the NHL but I don't think any team will pay him over what is he making in the KHL to see if that is the case.

I think it is time to see if Jeremy Morin can contribute, we need more production from the left side.

Great point let him be a superstar in KHL and see what are kids can do
 

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Never said they played in the NHL, the point was that they made olympic teams over NHL guys. I beleive there was some KHL teams who beat the NHL teams in Pre-season. so to say its not competitive with the NHL is false

Ok, but you must realize if you're talking about KHLers who made the roster over NHLers you must remove Russia from your argument for obvious reasons. Besides, your point goes far further if you look more into it in terms of other countries.

But anyway, to say that the KHL is on par with the NHL in terms of top tier talent as well as overall talent is ridiculous. It's simply not...and using preseason games as proof is...well, weak. Do you really expect Calgary to be among the top teams in the west after going undefeated this preseason?
 

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Ok, but you must realize if you're talking about KHLers who made the roster over NHLers you must remove Russia from your argument for obvious reasons. Besides, your point goes far further if you look more into it in terms of other countries.

But anyway, to say that the KHL is on par with the NHL in terms of top tier talent as well as overall talent is ridiculous. It's simply not...and using preseason games as proof is...well, weak. Do you really expect Calgary to be among the top teams in the west after going undefeated this preseason?

Calgary didn't play any KHL teams
 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwVM4S2HEUw]YouTube - Marcel Hossa[/ame]
 

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Calgary didn't play any KHL teams

You failed/dodged to answer my question, which leads me to believe that you understand how putting any kind of onus on the result of preseason games isn't astute.
 
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