Marshall on Cutler: "I’d have buyers remorse too.”

[Packer Fan]

I take it back.

 

[Packer Fan]

Packer Fan, you just want Jay around for the two free wins every year. Which one is you celebrating in my avatar?

I think Jay is great. No lie. I don't give a damn about whether it looks like he cares or not. Jay has the skills and the intelligence to be great. Shame he has that Head Coach.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

If you truly believe that you dont deserve the QBs youve had.

Hell, youre a packers fan, you dont deserve them anyway.

 

[mecha]

I think Jay is great. No lie. I don't give a damn about whether it looks like he cares or not. Jay has the skills and the intelligence to be great. Shame he has that Head Coach.

don't fucking try to be the voice of reason around here. YOU GET KILLED SAYING SHIT LIKE THAT.

you'll wish you were at a Packer board then. what, with the gravity, and people ripping dicks off. NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Packer Fan]

don't fucking try to be the voice of reason around here. YOU GET KILLED SAYING SHIT LIKE THAT.

you'll wish you were at a Packer board then. what, with the gravity, and people ripping dicks off. NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tried to be the voice of reason last year when I stated that Trestman should be fired. That didn't go over well.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

[video=youtube;AM9uBjsg5Q0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AM9uBjsg5Q0[/video]

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

1-11 vs the pack. That right there should be enough for every true Bears fan to want him out of town.

 

[Starion]

See, I'm not sure we have. He's on pace to set all of Kramer's records, all the while being mediocre in the NFL for all those records, AND being # 1 in Turnovers (Yah baby yah)...

So, he's done pretty darn good on paper this year. So the talent, injured, penalty ridden, turnover bidden, has worked out to make him still 'look the part'. Weird world we've all slid into...

Before commenting, I looked up Cutler's STATS (as of this post 12/9/14). If only we had stats on open receivers missed or % of receivers open/not, etc. that'd be cool. Without seeing NFL 22, we all see the dink & dunk, which stats back up:

LINK here:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/

CUTLER's STATS: ____RANK____#s

QB RATING: ____16th____91.7 - Average but not up to contract expectations = disappointing. Better than Stafford, Kaepernick, Cam; all w/ big contracts too. All under heat but Stafford. Wins will do that.

YARDS: ____7th____3446 yards
YARDS/GAME: ____12th____265 yd/game
Yd / ATTEMPT: ____25th*____6.98 yd/att
COMPLETIONS: ____5th____330 comp
PASS ATTEMPTS: ____T-6th____494 att - Combined BIG totals, but due to volume. *SHORT passes though. Is Cutty playing it too safe? Bad play calls = nobody's open?)

SACKS: T-9th 29 sacks - Glaring that last years OLINE was injury free, now 2/5 on IR. Only BIG BEN had more attempts and more sacks [33 in 510Att]. Is Cutty seeing ghosts again? Coach calls vs. QB vs. O-Line? FUMBLES are also #1 WORST by Cutty. Come to own conclusions here.

TD/INTs: T-7th/1st 26/15 - TD's have looked really good IMO. Picks are still what we've been cringing about. Brees has a very comparable 28/12 with even more (538) Attempts so far. His team is also terrible currently, but he gets a pass b/c, hey, SB Champion! Could also note that at least 2 of Cutty's INTs were hail-mary nothing to lose INTs, so essentially a push in TD/INT comparisons for this season only. Brees clearly better in yards/att. and that's the big $ question of why?


Summary:
Check the stat link above and play with the categories yourself & compare to other QBs. Overall, this isn't enough data to complete a picture of whether it's Cutty, coaching, the O-Line, Receivers that's affecting OFFENSIVE production. What IS obvious is the terrible Defense, once again = Losses, which = angry fans & media hype (almost to Cowboy level). Note that atrocious DEF didn't stop the OFF from being so damn good last year though, when DEF was even worse.

That + the horrid Yds/ATT = I'm leaning toward poor OFF play calling as we've always known Cutty to be more gunslinger than timid protector, so I'm inferring that guys just aren't getting as open. This talent should be there for the taking for a higher Yards/Attempt than we're seeing this year at least. Seems defenses have adjusted to the "go up and get it" back-shoulder highlight reel, yet risky deep balls Cutty enjoyed last year. Those are risky and have led to several of his picks when receivers lose a step, slip, or he' simply off just a hair. Further leading to coaching being the problem, remember what happened to Brees's season when his coach was suspended for the year! Yeah, rock bottom with essentially the same team.

Come up with your own conclusions, but it doesn't seem time to put Cutty out to pasture based on this just yet, unless you see a better option available for cheaper, much less pay Jay to hit the road, like they are paying Lovie still, and would pay 3 coaches next year if they fire Tres. Also, note Cutty having 5 offensive coordinators & systems in the last 7 year IIRC? Whether QB or coach is to blame is of opinion also. Can certainly say Jay is common denominator & can also say that no other QB above Jay in any stats or any team for that matter has seen anything close to the amount of systemic turnover and lack of consistency.

 

[bamainatlanta]

What does Grossman's dad's comments have to do with our current situation? From what I remember, he complained about the Bears not being built around the passing game. Jay has a passing coach, two stud WR's and a TE, and an OK if not great Oline. We've certainly built this team around him these last two years.

offensive line good? great? am i really reading this?

 

[Trump32]

There is no balance with Cutler for this clown. You either hate Cutler 100% or your a Cutler nut-hugger. There is no middle ground for this jackwad.

Any description that does not completely lay all blame at Cutler feet for the Bears failures as a team, will make any negative comments towards Cutler null and void in this fool's mind.

Hilarious though that the comments this poster made to set Morongo off, were not exactly Cutler friendly. Oh well, some broken records can't help themselves.

Nuthuggers naturally abhor balance.

Put yourself in his shoes, hugging the right or left testicle you are clear. If you go for balance you get a floppy, sweaty schlong on your forehead.

 

[tarlyn]

Thank God you provided the context.

Context was that Brandon said from a businessman standpoint he could see why someone could say they had buyers remorse....he certainly never said he didnt have faith in Cutler or that he wished he hadnt have been signed.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

offensive line good? great? am i really reading this?

Try reading the post again. Said the line was OK. NOT great. The line has been average. Better than the Tice days but not great.

 

[Runruffshod75]

You cant fix Cutler, he is done. I'm still a big fan and think he got railroaded earlier on in his career but it's time to move on. My thing is I hate people who feel Cutler is our only problem and refuse to look at the big picture. If I can see that Cutler is done why cant someone see that Mills is terrible at pass blocking or penalties are killing us?

I keep seeing posters mention this, & I don't believe there's any posters on here in their right minds that believe this either. Yet I see it mentioned all of the time. Now I do think that a lot of people that want Cutler out are well aware that the FO appears to have a history of half assing a lot of what they do in these situations. I believe that Trestman, Cutler, & Tucker should all be out the door. Just clean house, & rebuild stop prolonging the inevitable with band aid solutions. Emery I'm kind of on the fence with, because, even though I don't agree with some of the positions he's addressed, his drafts have improved since his first. But back to the point, because many believe that if changes are made that the F.O. half ass it, as a result they'll want to move on from the one held suspect who's under performed in their eyes the longest of the bunch.

That is the only way that can possibly even come close to fan in their right mind truly believing that Cutler is the only problem with this team.

They clearly need (listed in no specific order):

GM (Possibly, not sure what will happen, but I do think his draft picks have gotten better)
HC
DC
QB
TE depth
WR Depth
Center
Right Tackle
MLB
WLB
DE
Free Safety
CB Depth

 

[cobbland]

Before commenting, I looked up Cutler's STATS (as of this post 12/9/14). If only we had stats on open receivers missed or % of receivers open/not, etc. that'd be cool. Without seeing NFL 22, we all see the dink & dunk, which stats back up:

LINK here:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/

CUTLER's STATS: ____RANK____#s

QB RATING: ____16th____91.7 - Average but not up to contract expectations = disappointing. Better than Stafford, Kaepernick, Cam; all w/ big contracts too. All under heat but Stafford. Wins will do that.

YARDS: ____7th____3446 yards
YARDS/GAME: ____12th____265 yd/game
Yd / ATTEMPT: ____25th*____6.98 yd/att
COMPLETIONS: ____5th____330 comp
PASS ATTEMPTS: ____T-6th____494 att - Combined BIG totals, but due to volume. *SHORT passes though. Is Cutty playing it too safe? Bad play calls = nobody's open?)

SACKS: T-9th 29 sacks - Glaring that last years OLINE was injury free, now 2/5 on IR. Only BIG BEN had more attempts and more sacks [33 in 510Att]. Is Cutty seeing ghosts again? Coach calls vs. QB vs. O-Line? FUMBLES are also #1 WORST by Cutty. Come to own conclusions here.

TD/INTs: T-7th/1st 26/15 - TD's have looked really good IMO. Picks are still what we've been cringing about. Brees has a very comparable 28/12 with even more (538) Attempts so far. His team is also terrible currently, but he gets a pass b/c, hey, SB Champion! Could also note that at least 2 of Cutty's INTs were hail-mary nothing to lose INTs, so essentially a push in TD/INT comparisons for this season only. Brees clearly better in yards/att. and that's the big $ question of why?


Summary:
Check the stat link above and play with the categories yourself & compare to other QBs. Overall, this isn't enough data to complete a picture of whether it's Cutty, coaching, the O-Line, Receivers that's affecting OFFENSIVE production. What IS obvious is the terrible Defense, once again = Losses, which = angry fans & media hype (almost to Cowboy level). Note that atrocious DEF didn't stop the OFF from being so damn good last year though, when DEF was even worse.

That + the horrid Yds/ATT = I'm leaning toward poor OFF play calling as we've always known Cutty to be more gunslinger than timid protector, so I'm inferring that guys just aren't getting as open. This talent should be there for the taking for a higher Yards/Attempt than we're seeing this year at least. Seems defenses have adjusted to the "go up and get it" back-shoulder highlight reel, yet risky deep balls Cutty enjoyed last year. Those are risky and have led to several of his picks when receivers lose a step, slip, or he' simply off just a hair. Further leading to coaching being the problem, remember what happened to Brees's season when his coach was suspended for the year! Yeah, rock bottom with essentially the same team.

Come up with your own conclusions, but it doesn't seem time to put Cutty out to pasture based on this just yet, unless you see a better option available for cheaper, much less pay Jay to hit the road, like they are paying Lovie still, and would pay 3 coaches next year if they fire Tres. Also, note Cutty having 5 offensive coordinators & systems in the last 7 year IIRC? Whether QB or coach is to blame is of opinion also. Can certainly say Jay is common denominator & can also say that no other QB above Jay in any stats or any team for that matter has seen anything close to the amount of systemic turnover and lack of consistency.

Cam Newton is still playing under his rookie contract from 2011.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cam-newton/


Chicago only paid Lovie for 2013, the final year on his contract. They are not paying him this year.

 

[85Bears]

The moves bears make will be ones that will cost least. Like change the dc and st coaches. Even getting rid of cutler and the 12 million hit is cheapest option cause they will be limited to spend only what cap allows. Also if trestman gets a rookie qb we will get the bs he needs three years yada yada yada so trestman safe for that many years saves the bs owners lots of $$$.

I fucking hate the fact that you are probably right.

 

[botfly10]

In the past I think the consensus was that Jay was in the 8-15 range as far as NFL QB's ranked and that was with mediocre receivers. Now he's loaded and sucks? (I don't think he does, he just needs to eliminate turnovers, everything else is high). This is a coaching issue.

Yeah, thats a conclusion that would make sense. To me though, its more an issue of Cutler being in a position where the O has to carry the team. In the past, his success came where the D was the much better squad and was providing scaffolding for the O. Cutler did better when less was asked of him. But when asked to lead the team, he fell apart. To me, that makes him not good enough. Just a run of the mill journeyman type QB and the Bears need better than that imo.

 

[cobbland]

Jay was always the sacrificial lamb in Chicago

Angelo brought him here wih no weapons, no protection for years, got his brain beat in...by the time the Lovie era ended Cutler had already earned so much enmity from fans and the media that the writing was on the wall this year, if he didnt set the world on fire he'd be blamed.

2010 is the only season where one can legitimately argue that Cutler "got his brains beat in" since he was sacked 52 times.

2009 he played all 16 games and was sacked 35 times, 7th in the league. Rodgers and Roethlisberger tied for 1st with 50 sacks.

2010 he played 15 games and was sacked 52 times. He was the most sacked QB in the NFL.

2011 he played 10 games and was sacked 23 times, 26th in the league. Alex Smith was 1st with 44.

2012 (Emery's first year) he plays 15 games and was sacked 38 times, 5th in the league. Rodgers was 1st with 51 sacks.

 

[botfly10]

By the time Emery got here the town was already divided into pro and anti Cutler camps. He was the sacrificial lamb in the Angelo/Lovie era

The writing has been on the wall ever since the Trestman hire, if Cutler didn't succeed he'd be outta here. So this is a surprise to nobody. The only surprise here is that the Bears FO actually has the balls to cut the cord after all this time

Well, I agree, the ass beating Cutler took under JA probably killed his development, but that doesn't change the result. And yeah, if Cutler doesn't succeed, he should be outta here. That's how it works. And besides, the Bears tried their best to set Cutler up for success.

Either way, I just don't see how a person can still put faith in Cutler going forward. I just don't see how you can trust him to be the guy anymore. I am a big Cutler fan. I like him a lot and want him to succeed so bad. I just don't see how you can hold onto the hope that he will ever achieve his potential at this point. I just don't believe he will ever play up to his talent anymore.

 

[ClydeLee]

2010 is the only season where one can legitimately argue that Cutler "got his brains beat in" since he was sacked 52 times.

2009 he played all 16 games and was sacked 35 times, 7th in the league. Rodgers and Roethlisberger tied for 1st with 50 sacks.

2010 he played 15 games and was sacked 52 times. He was the most sacked QB in the NFL.

2011 he played 10 games and was sacked 23 times, 26th in the league. Alex Smith was 1st with 44.

2012 (Emery's first year) he plays 15 games and was sacked 38 times, 5th in the league. Rodgers was 1st with 51 sacks.

And it's significant to get sacked beyond those numbers, especially still the years he missed some games. Then it was a huge impact in contrast to the 11? or so sacks he got in Denver in 2008. It also doesn't account for how many QB Hits he has taken, which I'm not sure if that would sway it higher than other QBs or just about the same as the sack numbers.

 

[cobbland]

And it's significant to get sacked beyond those numbers, especially still the years he missed some games. Then it was a huge impact in contrast to the 11? or so sacks he got in Denver in 2008. It also doesn't account for how many QB Hits he has taken, which I'm not sure if that would sway it higher than other QBs or just about the same as the sack numbers.

Doesn't show how many QB hits Cutler took individually, just QB hits per team.

2009: 79 QB hits, 15th in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

2010: 92 hits, 8th in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

2011: 87 hits, 5th in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

2012: 87 hits, 6th in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

2013: 85 hits, 13th in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

2014: 59 hits (through 13 games), 23rd in the league.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false