Mike Dunleavy JR Bulls

[RC_Skinny22]

Like it´s with our rookies: We have to wait and see him play.

Maybe he fits a niche and does well, maybe he falls out of the rotation. Who knows.

The signing per se isn´t something that knocks you out of your socks but only time will tell if it was a good or a bad signing.

 

[Crystallas]

He's been in the league 6 years and has already played for 4 teams. About to be 5 in 7 years. :shrug: Dunleavy is more consistent and a better shooter than he is.

Could moving around so often be why?

 

[czman]

I am of twin minds on this one.

I like they identified a need--backup for Deng--correctly. His advanced stats are very good the last few seasons. He has huge +/- numbers. He has really good "clutch"stats last season, but the two previous seasons they were abysmal. He has defended both the 2/3.

He has had injury problems. He will be 33 at the beginning of the season. This contract is going to take him through the beginning of a players natural decline years.

What I dislike about this move the most is the timing. No one can even be signed for another week. This just stinks of the Rip/Hinrich signing. Where the Bulls jump on the first player that shows interest. Is Dunleavy really to get much more than 3 million? The Bucks signed him for 3.75 two years ago. I think the Bulls could have gotten this deal done 2 weeks from now.

Last season Beasley, Lou Williams, Nick Young/O.J. Mayo all signed deals that were 5 million or less that season. There is only so much money out there and when the top guys get paid and some of the MLEs get used there are always players to be had. I know the team loses out on "fit".

This move, and the last two MLEs the Bulls used, just seem to be a saving face move. It is almost like the Bulls are trying to convince people that they are getting the player they want. I get the feeling the Bulls don't want to go chasing FA and not get them like they did a few seasons ago.

There is no reason to commit to him this soon. I also wonder why they did not even look at guys like Matt Barnes and Dorell Wright. Both of whom I think might be a better fit.

I hope the Bulls don't miss out because they married the first girl that kissed them.

 

[czman]

He's been in the league 6 years and has already played for 4 teams. About to be 5 in 7 years. :shrug: Dunleavy is more consistent and a better shooter than he is.

Why not Bring Marco back too. I don't think the one move has to preclude the other.

 

[Shepard]

I am of twin minds on this one.

I hope the Bulls don't miss out because they married the first girl that kissed them.

No you actually only have one mind on this one- you clearly don't like the move. The Bulls will owe him $3mil when he's 33 and 34....so what? He played at a high level in 75 games last year. My father is an avid Bucks fan and hoped the Bucks would bring him back and he wasn't happy the Bulls snatched him up on Day 1 of FA.

Unless they actually found a taker for Lu and Boozer- a big name wasn't going to fit within the Bulls current salary structure. They couldn't drop the full MLE on anyone this year because they'll have to offer that to Mirotic next year (4yrs/20mil) for any chance to bring him over.

There are plenty of "girls who wanted to kiss" the Bulls...its obvious they identified Dunleavy as the guy they wanted and when they got him for the price they got him- why mess around? Good move, Bulls.

 

[Shepard]

Why not Bring Marco back too. I don't think the one move has to preclude the other.

Dunleavy >>>> Marco

If you did actually bring Marco back....where does that leave Snell at any chance of seeing the floor? It wasn't feasible to bring Marco back after landing Dunleavy at $3mil/year.

 

[ChettheJet]

That's the one name out of the blue I wouldn't have expected. In the old days I would say, well he's got 6 fouls. Yes he can shoot but he's as active as a fence post on defense, especially at the 2 where he should never play for the Bulls. I think he plays behind Deng, maybe more minutes when he's hot and less when he's not but that makes Jimmy Buckets your starting 2 guard for sure. Then they'll sign Nazr, one guy from the Summer league and the roster will be set at 13. The last spot on the end of the bench could be Thomas or Harangody.

not liking this deal whatsoever...as scottie said overpaying for more garbage

i'll take dunleavy for 1 year vet min but not for 2yr/6 million

give that money to nate

Are you going to be paying Nate the extra money above that $3 million per that he is looking for? He nor anybody else is going to give up money they can get elsewhere to be here, that's some kind of Bulls fantasy world thinking.

 

[FirstTimer]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!




LOL at this Bulls team.

 

[X]

Marco is still improving(plus he has one year under the system). Dunleavy is declining. :shrug:

whoa...How is Dunleavy declining? I'm not declaring this pick up to be the greatest decision made in the GarPax tenure that will put the Bulls over the top or anything -- but Dunleavy's #s have been relatively steady w/ regard to minutes played over the last several seasons. Of course, as a shooter on a team with Ellis, Jennings and Redick, his minutes/shots went down.

 

[czman]

No you actually only have one mind on this one- you clearly don't like the move.

Guess you missed it.

I am of twin minds on this one.

I like they identified a need--backup for Deng--correctly. His advanced stats are very good the last few seasons. He has huge +/- numbers. He has really good "clutch"stats last season, but the two previous seasons they were abysmal. He has defended both the 2/3.

Those are all good things.

I clearly don't like or dislike the move. I am on the fence. I would rather they kicked the tires on a few more players to see who else they could have signed. I would rather they let the market define his value a little more. 2 years ago he received a similar deal. His perceived value might be lower now. They might have been able to get him for the league min.

I have the ability to see both sides of the coin. If you have no worries about his age and injury history that is fine.

 

[Shepard]

I have the ability to see both sides of the coin. If you have no worries about his age and injury history that is fine.

At $3Mil/yr? Nope....and neither should you.

 

[czman]

Dunleavy >>>> Marco

If you did actually bring Marco back....where does that leave Snell at any chance of seeing the floor? It wasn't feasible to bring Marco back after landing Dunleavy at $3mil/year.

The Bulls can offer Marco a 20% raise (~2.4 mil). They don't need to spend the MLE on him. That is how they can bring him back.

I am not sure Snell is going to get on the floor either way with the way Tibs uses his rotations. I would prefer Tibs has many comfortable options of the bench as possible. I don't want to see Deng and Butler player 40+ minutes each when/if Dunleavy goes down for a week.

 

[czman]

At $3Mil/yr? Nope....and neither should you.

You do know the Bulls don't have a lot of resources to get better. The MLE is probably the only they even use. I doubt they move Rip or the Korver Trade exception. The Bulls probably have this move + some league min guys.

It is not the money that matters. I don't care about a billionaires money. I just want the Bulls to bring in the best available player who can help the team with their MLE. Obviously a lot of players are not going to take the MLE.

I am not so sure that this is the best move out there.

I guess you have far more faith in Dunleavy.

 

[Shepard]

The Bulls can offer Marco a 20% raise (~2.4 mil). They don't need to spend the MLE on him. That is how they can bring him back.

I am not sure Snell is going to get on the floor either way with the way Tibs uses his rotations. I would prefer Tibs has many comfortable options of the bench as possible. I don't want to see Deng and Butler player 40+ minutes each when/if Dunleavy goes down for a week.

While I actually liked Marco last year- I can totally understand why the Bulls decided not to bring him back. Lets face it- he wasn't the shooter the Bulls needed him to be only shooting 35% from the arc last year. While he did improve a great deal defensively as the season went along---he still isn't the defender Dunleavy is, which says a lot.

Also, if Belinelli actually hit an open 3 against Miami- that series may go a game or two longer...he was brutal shooting 33% in that series.

 

[Crystallas]

whoa...How is Dunleavy declining? I'm not declaring this pick up to be the greatest decision made in the GarPax tenure that will put the Bulls over the top or anything -- but Dunleavy's #s have been relatively steady w/ regard to minutes played over the last several seasons. Of course, as a shooter on a team with Ellis, Jennings and Redick, his minutes/shots went down.

Maybe I'm over-rating age, but he's going to be 33 at the start of the season and I would have preferred a big with our MLE. Now we are loaded with tweener position players at the 2, and no real complimentary players. At least Marco could do a bit of everything. Once he was comfortable on defense, he was starting to shine. We still should see if we can bring Marco in, because he is a cap-hold, but this time is going to be crucial to finding an actual bigman that can start 20 games a season.

Or wait, am I missing another one of these Duke solidarity moments, because I don't care what school he played for?

 

[Shepard]

You do know the Bulls don't have a lot of resources to get better. The MLE is probably the only they even use. I doubt they move Rip or the Korver Trade exception. The Bulls probably have this move + some league min guys.

It is not the money that matters. I don't care about a billionaires money. I just want the Bulls to bring in the best available player who can help the team with their MLE. Obviously a lot of players are not going to take the MLE.

I am not so sure that this is the best move out there.

I guess you have far more faith in Dunleavy.

They'll have to use the full MLE on Mirotic next year (4yr/20mil) for any chance to bring him over. If they used the MLE this year- it would put them in luxury tax territory and that would prevent the Bulls from using the full MLE next year.

 

[X]

Maybe I'm over-rating age, but he's going to be 33 at the start of the season and I would have preferred a big with our MLE. Now we are loaded with tweener position players at the 2, and no real complimentary players. At least Marco could do a bit of everything. Once he was comfortable on defense, he was starting to shine. We still should see if we can bring Marco in, because he is a cap-hold, but this time is going to be crucial to finding an actual bigman that can start 20 games a season.

Or wait, am I missing another one of these Duke solidarity moments, because I don't care what school he played for?

Meh, I'm a Dukie, but I only joke about Duke/Chicago connections. I want the best players on the team. I personally just think Dunleavy is one of the best shooters that was on the market this off-season. I agree w/ need a big, but I also understand that Snell/Murphy likely aren't going to play much, so that shooting won't be seen until 2014 at the earliest.

My guess is they'll end up going after a scrub big man like Cole Aldrich. :shrug:

 

[czman]

They'll have to use the full MLE on Mirotic next year (4yr/20mil) for any chance to bring him over. If they used the MLE this year- it would put them in luxury tax territory and that would prevent the Bulls from using the full MLE next year.

None of that makes any sense.

 

[RoseMVP1]

4 teams didn't notice anything special about Marco :shrug: I'm sure it will be 5 after next year. We have hit on most of our free agent signings recently so I don't think this will be any different. He's one of the better shooters in the game plus he isn't as bad defensively as Korver. It doesn't hurt.

 

[RoseMVP1]

Boy your debate points are horrible....who cares about that series? It was great in its competitiveness, not because there was a high grade of basketball played. James by himself played a higher caliber of basketball in game 7 than what was played in that whole damn series. Please stop.

Do you like anyone on the Bulls or that played for them? Seems like you hate them all :shrug: