Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson?

[Midway Fields]

If Vrabel is so great why did 7 teams pass on him last year? Most of those teams hired defensive HCs, so why not him? He interviewed all over the place. Washington even got left at the altar and didn’t even consider Vrabel. It’s something to think about.

I’m still holding out hope Stefanski gets fired by the stupid Browns. But if I had to choose between these two I’ll take Ben Johnson. High risk but high reward!

The Chargers were going to hire Vrabel if Harbaugh wasn’t coming back to the NFL.

NFL teams didn’t want to hire Harbaugh immediately after the Niners fired him…doesn’t mean anything.

 

[playthrough2001]

Wonder how this board will be when they trot out Brian Flores or Joe Brady lol.

Flores is a pretty damn good coach.

Joe Brady is similar to Johnson, Coen, Robinson, and Brown when you compare resumes.

 

[Bearly]

Ben Johnson called 34 passing plays against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL he was absolutely gashing in the run game. Let the bears back in it by only calling 11 runs in the second half.

His hero's are also john scoop and adam gase.

They also only had 11 passes and missed a 45y FG in the second 1/2. They built that 16 point lead in the 1st. Rush vs pass that game was 33 to 34 and a hair above their average rush attempts. Gibbs fumbling at the Chi 6 near the end of the 1st 1/2 is what kept the Bear in that game. Not saying Johnson is The Man but that game isn't the reason to go elsewhere. Nice to have a couple good choices.

Who gets brought in as OC if not the HC is of paramount importance here so Vrabel better have a guy lined up when he interviews.

 

[Enasic]

The Bears had an obvious perfect candidate in Harbaugh but blew it, unfortunately the coaches available this offseason all have warts. I am much more confident in Vrabel because of the current state of the Bears, a disaster top to bottom . Cleaning this mess up needs a strong personality, a no nonsense guy. We keep hiring soft dick, nice guys.

Vrabel on top with a good offensive coordinator, which he has had several.

The bears didn’t blow the harbaugh situation. Warren and George would never entertain allowing Harbaugh in the building. They would never hire a personality like him. You can’t really blow a situation that was never realistically on the table.

 

[Enasic]

Flores is a pretty damn good coach.

Joe Brady is similar to Johnson, Coen, Robinson, and Brown when you compare resumes.

Flores is a great coach. He had back to back winning seasons in Miami for the first time in 20 years I believe….and their roster wasn’t very good. The question marks with him is if he learned anything from the Tua situation….he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way….and who would his OC be? He had 3 different OCs in 3 years in Miami. For what it’s worth, Tomlin calls him the best coach currently not a HC

 

[msadows]

They also only had 11 passes and missed a 45y FG in the second 1/2. They built that 16 point lead in the 1st. Rush vs pass that game was 33 to 34 and a hair above their average rush attempts. Gibbs fumbling at the Chi 6 near the end of the 1st 1/2 is what kept the Bear in that game. Not saying Johnson is The Man but that game isn't the reason to go elsewhere. Nice to have a couple good choices.

Who gets brought in as OC if not the HC is of paramount importance here so Vrabel better have a guy lined up when he interviews.

Thats just one game, if you watch the lions a lot he does a lot of head scratching things.

That OL 100% makes life easy for him so who knows how good he actually is.

Not saying he's a fraud, but any offense/playcaller will look good with the quality of that lions OL. Just like any defense will look good with an elite DL. I'd rather get the lions GM than their OC.

Legit, you could use ask madden if your run plays are all going for 5 yards a pop and your QB usually has as much time to throw as he wants.

The other issue is you have zero clue if he can actually be a leader of a locker room, much as I think dan campbell is overrated he's the guy who keeps all those guys in line and motivated.

 

[Forty-six]

Mike Vrabel's teams were near the bottom of the league in passing yards and attempts all 6 years as head coach of the Titans.

My impression of Vrabel is he wants to play conservative, ball control on offense, limit turnovers and win with defense. This has been the Bears model for the past 40 years, resulting in one SB win and mostly unwatchable football in just about every other season. I'm tired of that movie.

I don't think this style of play will allow the Bears to be competitive in the division. The Packers, Vikes and Lions all have electric offenses. The talent at the skill positions that all three of our division rivals have is just off the charts insane. The Bears will go down in flames if they're the only team in division trying to win with ball control and scores of 20 - 13. That style of play also doesn't maximize Caleb's considerable skill set.

Vrabel is the safer bet with the higher floor but also the lower ceiling. Johnson is the risker play who has a lower floor but a much higher ceiling.

I'd prefer to see Johnson as HC with Saleh as DC but acknowledge this road has considerable risk. Johnson has been around the best OL in football for multiple seasons now. If he were the HC maybe he'd bring an ability to identify quality OL players in the draft.

I really do feel the next HC hire is monumental for the Bears organization. I could see Caleb walking away from the Bears in year 4 if they screw up this next hire and continue to be an embarrassing, non-competitive team.

 

[Rise]

Flores is a great coach. He had back to back winning seasons in Miami for the first time in 20 years I believe….and their roster wasn’t very good. The question marks with him is if he learned anything from the Tua situation….he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way….and who would his OC be? He had 3 different OCs in 3 years in Miami. For what it’s worth, Tomlin calls him the best coach currently not a HC

The guy might be a good coach but he has a dark side to him that we can’t risk. What he was doing to Tua, that’s mental illness. What has he really done to fix whatever made him act like that?

remember this is the Bears, the worst case scenario is what we always get. I don’t want to hire the Ron Artest of coaches.

 

[msadows]

He found Arthur Smith and Matt LaFleur both of whom got HC gigs.

I was going to post this.

At least one of them proved he can already do the job and find great coordinators.

The other guy has only proven he can make an offense with great talent look like an offense with great talent. Not saying ben johnson cant be good but its a much much larger risk.

 

[msadows]

The guy might be a good coach but he has a dark side to him that we can’t risk. What he was doing to Tua, that’s mental illness. What has he really done to fix whatever made him act like that?

remember this is the Bears, the worst case scenario is what we always get. I don’t want to hire the Ron Artest of coaches.

TUA is soft, caleb isn't.

 

[playthrough2001]

My impression of Vrabel is he wants to play conservative, ball control on offense, limit turnovers and win with defense. This has been the Bears model for the past 40 years, resulting in one SB win and mostly unwatchable football in just about every other season. I'm tired of that movie.

I don't think this style of play will allow the Bears to be competitive in the division. The Packers, Vikes and Lions all have electric offenses. The talent at the skill positions that all three of our division rivals have is just off the charts insane. The Bears will go down in flames if they're the only team in division trying to win with ball control and scores of 20 - 13. That style of play also doesn't maximize Caleb's considerable skill set.

Vrabel is the safer bet with the higher floor but also the lower ceiling. Johnson is the risker play who has a lower floor but a much higher ceiling.

I'd prefer to see Johnson as HC with Saleh as DC but acknowledge this road has considerable risk. Johnson has been around the best OL in football for multiple seasons now. If he were the HC maybe he'd bring an ability to identify quality OL players in the draft.

I really do feel the next HC hire is monumental for the Bears organization. I could see Caleb walking away from the Bears in year 4 if they screw up this next hire and continue to be an embarrassing, non-competitive team.

The Bears control Caleb for 6 more years with the fifth year option and franchise tag. How is he “walking away in year 4?”

 

[msadows]

Wonder how this board will be when they trot out Brian Flores or Joe Brady lol.

I might prefer Joe Brady to Ben Johnson tbh. I don't really like either cause its also hard to gauge how much of their success is them vs. elite talent.

Joe brady has at least shown he can modify his schemes(LSU vs. Buff). Another name that I wont be shocked to get ocnsideration is the guy in Tampa, he's revived bakers career and that offense is humming with a lot less talent than the lions and buffalo.

He's 3rd in yards per game and 5th in ppg

 

[msadows]

The Bears control Caleb for 6 more years with the fifth year option and franchise tag. How is he “walking away in year 4?”

Technically they can franchsie tag him up to 3 times I believe.

Either way, only way caleb is traded is if the bears want to get rid of him. If caleb wanted out of chicago that time was pre-draft, he has absolutely zero leverage now

 

[Enasic]

The guy might be a good coach but he has a dark side to him that we can’t risk. What he was doing to Tua, that’s mental illness. What has he really done to fix whatever made him act like that?

remember this is the Bears, the worst case scenario is what we always get. I don’t want to hire the Ron Artest of coaches.

I wouldn’t say it’s mental illness lol…that’s pretty dramatic. It’s an old school hard assed way of coaching that was a mistake on his part. He’s already owned up to it and I believe he could have learned from it.

That said, Johnson is my first choice. It’s the obvious choice, just don’t overthink it. He shares the same agent with saleh too, so a Johnson / saleh pairing is definitely in play.

I do think Flores is getting overlooked a bit. He prob has the most risk/question marks. Would really come down to his OC hire and if he could convince me what he learned and how he’d be different this time around.

 

[RunRunRunPunt]

Mike Ditka
Mike Jordan
you go with Mike

 

[playthrough2001]

Technically they can franchsie tag him up to 3 times I believe.

Either way, only way caleb is traded is if the bears want to get rid of him. If caleb wanted out of chicago that time was pre-draft, he has absolutely zero leverage now

You’re right, it is three times. I didn’t realize that.

 

[playthrough2001]

I wouldn’t say it’s mental illness lol…that’s pretty dramatic. It’s an old school hard assed way of coaching that was a mistake on his part. He’s already owned up to it and I believe he could have learned from it.

That said, Johnson is my first choice. It’s the obvious choice, just don’t overthink it. He shares the same agent with saleh too, so a Johnson / saleh pairing is definitely in play.

I do think Flores is getting overlooked a bit. He prob has the most risk/question marks. Would really come down to his OC hire and if he could convince me what he learned and how he’d be different this time around.

I wonder if Flores would bring Josh McCown as OC?

I wonder if Josh is ready?

 

[Enasic]

I wonder if Flores would bring Josh McCown as OC?

Gross.

He’d have to bring in a rockstar OC for me to consider him. I can’t even think of anyone off the top of my head, but MCCown definitely isn’t it.

 

[msadows]

I wouldn’t say it’s mental illness lol…that’s pretty dramatic. It’s an old school hard assed way of coaching that was a mistake on his part. He’s already owned up to it and I believe he could have learned from it.

That said, Johnson is my first choice. It’s the obvious choice, just don’t overthink it. He shares the same agent with saleh too, so a Johnson / saleh pairing is definitely in play.

I do think Flores is getting overlooked a bit. He prob has the most risk/question marks. Would really come down to his OC hire and if he could convince me what he learned and how he’d be different this time around.

So does mike vrabel? And Lafleur? And a ton of other nfl coaches lol?

Maybe mike ditka is coming back since he's got the same agent. Ditka/Saleh pairing!

 

[playthrough2001]

Gross.

He’d have to bring in a rockstar OC for me to consider him. I can’t even think of anyone off the top of my head, but MCCown definitely isn’t it.

He’s currently the QB Coach with the Vikings.