Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson?

[msadows]

He’s currently the QB Coach with the Vikings.

Yea no thanks man, thats a big reason no one wanted billy boy was because his plan was to bring McDonalds and fat patricia along with him

 

[Runruffshod75]

Vrabel/Daboll and whoever at GM

Trestman vibes from Johnson but I could be wrong.

I'd rather see if Vrabel could get McDaniels at OC if he doesn't follow Bill to NC.

They're both already well acquainted and have already worked together in some capacity. Hopefully at this point McDaniels gets that it may be better to be a great OC than a TERRIBLE HC

Vrabel and McDaniels would be and excellent fit. If Vrabel isn't the guy than believe it or not I would prefer Josh McCown to anyone else.

McCown knows how to handle a locker room and knows how to interact with these guy, but also knows his Xs and Os on the Offensive end.

I really wouldn't be bothered at all if this franchise brought back one of its own with Josh McCown to Captain this ship.

 

[Enasic]

So does mike vrabel? And Lafleur? And a ton of other nfl coaches lol?

Maybe mike ditka is coming back since he's got the same agent. Ditka/Saleh pairing!

Well LaFleur is already a HC so not sure your point. Unless you mean saleh is going to get promoted/hired as GBs DC. That would suck.

As for vrabel, he’s a meh/safe hire. High floor, low ceiling. Would be great if he brought saleh because vrabel isn’t really a good DC. Either way, give me Johnson and saleh pairing. Maybe it wouldn’t work out that way, but kind of silly to ignore agent ties. It comes into play all the time.

 

[msadows]

I'd rather see if Vrabel could get McDaniels at OC if he doesn't follow Bill to NC.

They're both already well acquainted and have already worked together in some capacity. Hopefully at this point McDaniels gets that it may be better to be a great OC than a TERRIBLE HC

Vrabel and McDaniels would be and excellent fit. If Vrabel isn't the guy than believe it or not I would prefer Josh McCown to anyone else.

McCown knows how to handle a locker room and knows how to interact with these guy, but also knows his Xs and Os on the Offensive end.

I really wouldn't be bothered at all if this franchise brought back one of its own with Josh McCown to Captain this ship.

its gonna be this guy

 

[DefNextYear]

Ben Johnson called 34 passing plays against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL he was absolutely gashing in the run game. Let the bears back in it by only calling 11 runs in the second half.

His hero's are also john scoop and adam gase.

Maybe he didn’t want to embarrass his future team?

 

[Enasic]

He’s currently the QB Coach with the Vikings.

Good for him

If you’re implying that he’s responsible for darnold’s success and not KOC, I disagree.

Need someone way more proven as OC to develop an offense around Caleb.

 

[msadows]

Well LaFleur is already a HC so not sure your point. Unless you mean saleh is going to get promoted/hired as GBs DC. That would suck.

As for vrabel, he’s a meh/safe hire. High floor, low ceiling. Would be great if he brought saleh because vrabel isn’t really a good DC. Either way, give me Johnson and saleh pairing. Maybe it wouldn’t work out that way, but kind of silly to ignore agent ties. It comes into play all the time.

My point is a ton of NFL coaches share the same agent lol.

Having a similar agent is the dumbest shit only sports radio made you think is a theory.

 

[Runruffshod75]

Yea no thanks man, thats a big reason no one wanted billy boy was because his plan was to bring McDonalds and fat patricia along with him

McDaniels is fine in an OC role. Players didn't like him after he was fired in Denver either but he rebounded just fine in an OC role.

Patricia is a fucking dope though.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

If Stefanski or Taylor get cut loose, I’ll take door number three.

Also, what happens if Thomas Brown wins the next four and the team plays well? How about three of the next four? I get that it’s definitely a long shot but I think it’s an interesting talking point.

Between Vrabel and Johnson it’s a coin flip for me. It bothers me that Eberflus seemed to have Johnson’s number.

Eberflus seems to be the only person in the league to have johnsons number and at that, lions still put up points and won most of the matchups.

I'd be more concerned if Flores and MLF had his number since they are still coaching in the division.

 

[Enasic]

My point is a ton of NFL coaches share the same agent lol.

Having a similar agent is the dumbest shit only sports radio made you think is a theory.

You obviously haven’t been paying attention to the bears.

Agents matter and come into play. That doesn’t mean the entire staff is going to share the same agent, but it’s a factor, especially if the HC doesn’t have a ton of qualified connections around the league. What’s dumb is you thinking it’s irrelevant

 

[playthrough2001]

Good for him

If you’re implying that he’s responsible for darnold’s success and not KOC, I disagree.

Need someone way more proven as OC to develop an offense around Caleb.

I think you misunderstood my comment. I’m not advocating for Josh but I would not be surprised if Flores picks him to be his guy.

 

[msadows]

McDaniels is fine in an OC role. Players didn't like him after he was fired in Denver either but he rebounded just fine in an OC role.

Patricia is a fucking dope though.

What OC role outside of the patriots?

He's been absolute shit outside of brady besides one year with mac jones

Also, it seems like his players dont like him very much. He doesnt scheme to player strengths, just runs his own system which he thinks is superior. Exactly the opposite of what we should be pursuing for a young QB.

Sounds like another out of touch genius in the room like waldron, except this guy gets sucked off because he had brady give him job promotions over the years

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

The Bears had an obvious perfect candidate in Harbaugh but blew it, unfortunately the coaches available this offseason all have warts. I am much more confident in Vrabel because of the current state of the Bears, a disaster top to bottom . Cleaning this mess up needs a strong personality, a no nonsense guy. We keep hiring soft dick, nice guys.

Vrabel on top with a good offensive coordinator, which he has had several.

I think everyone can agree the Bears messed up by not giving Harbaugh a chance. If Warren can’t handle Harbaugh attitude, will he be able to handle Vrabel’s no nonsense personality?

Can Vrabel find a legit OC? Vrabel had 1 legit OC during his 6 years, which was Arthur Smith. LaFleur had one of the worst offenses in the league during his 1 year stint. Is he a proven leader, yes.

 

[Runruffshod75]

Good for him

If you’re implying that he’s responsible for darnold’s success and not KOC, I disagree.

Need someone way more proven as OC to develop an offense around Caleb.

He is the guy that's partly responsible for the hands on development of Darnolds play and works with him on a daily basis to some degree.

The HC will always get the credit but your kidding yourself if you believe that a former QB that always carried himself very well in the locker room doesn't have a solid shot at becoming one helluva good HC.

McCown has alot to do with Darnolds current success

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Mike Vrabel's teams were near the bottom of the league in passing yards and attempts all 6 years as head coach of the Titans. Contrary to popular belief, Vrabel's defense ranked in the top 10 in points and yards given up only 2 of his 6 years as HC. Vrabel is Lovie Smith 2.0 and will have a difficult time finding a young, up & coming OC just like Lovie did because of the style of offence he likes to run. If the Bears didn't have the #1 pick in the draft at QB I would be ok with Vrabel as HC. It makes no sense to hire that type of HC when priority #1 should be developing Caleb.

Exactly my thoughts, unless we know for sure Vrabel can bring in a top tier OC and let him run that side of the ball. The next HC has to be all about developing Williams and improve the offense.

 

[msadows]

I think everyone can agree the Bears messed up by not giving Harbaugh a chance. If Warren can’t handle Harbaugh attitude, will he be able to handle Vrabel’s no nonsense personality?

Can Vrabel find a legit OC? Vrabel had 1 legit OC during his 6 years, which was Arthur Smith. LaFleur had one of the worst offenses in the league during his 1 year stint. Is he a proven leader, yes.

Think everyone agrees the bears messed up hiring Kevin Warren. If that **** was never hired there is a good shot harbaugh may have been coaching this team

 

[TezMaKai]

Vrabel/Daboll and whoever at GM

Trestman vibes from Johnson but I could be wrong.

Nagy vibes

 

[playthrough2001]

I think everyone can agree the Bears messed up by not giving Harbaugh a chance. If Warren can’t handle Harbaugh attitude, will he be able to handle Vrabel’s no nonsense personality?

Can Vrabel find a legit OC? Vrabel had 1 legit OC during his 6 years, which was Arthur Smith. LaFleur had one of the worst offenses in the league during his 1 year stint. Is he a proven leader, yes.

I see a number of Bear fans suggest Harbaugh was the answer and there is no question he’s a great coach.

However, none of us know what his stance was on Caleb. He stated many times that JJ was the best QB in the draft.

I can’t imagine hiring him if he insisted on selecting JJ McCarthy as the future of the franchise.

It was a non issue for the Chargers with Herbert in place.

 

[Enasic]

He is the guy that's partly responsible for the hands on development of Darnolds play and works with him on a daily basis to some degree.

The HC will always get the credit but your kidding yourself if you believe that a former QB that always carried himself very well in the locker room doesn't have a solid shot at becoming one helluva good HC.

McCown has alot to do with Darnolds current success

Maybe he has a shot one day but he’d have to prove himself in an OC role for a couple of years before I entrusted him to develop Caleb. Hard pass for me.

I give KOC the majority of credit for darnold. Overwhelmingly so, actually. I’m sure as a former QB, McCown is doing a fine job as the QB coach, but that’s a far cry from an OC or HC role. Just because he carried himself well and played QB doesn’t automatically destine him to be a great coach. It’s possible that he turns into one, but it’s all projection at this point.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

He is the guy that's partly responsible for the hands on development of Darnolds play and works with him on a daily basis to some degree.

The HC will always get the credit but your kidding yourself if you believe that a former QB that always carried himself very well in the locker room doesn't have a solid shot at becoming one helluva good HC.

McCown has alot to do with Darnolds current success

I generally think the playcaller has the most to do with a qbs success. Sure there is occasionally a non playcaller that is involved in a qbs development, but every year when a random qb has success people try to attribute it to everyone on that offensive staff and generally it is just someone like mcvay, koc, mlf, shanny that made them look better.