Mr. Houheffna is RIGHT

[Rose2Boozer]

Or Scottie Pippen can give up his courtside seats and suit up.

Sure, Scottie could probably score better than Brewer and Butler, bad knee and all. I'm kidding, but not really.

 

[Axl Rose]

yall feelin ***?.......rudy *** that is

Luol Deng for Rudy ***

get it done

 

[ChitwnRyan60452]

yall feelin ***?.......rudy *** that is

Luol Deng for Rudy ***

get it done

There is no way, as long as Tom Thibideau is here, that Luol Deng is going anywhere...

 

[houheffna]

There is no way, as long as Tom Thibideau is here, that Luol Deng is going anywhere...

I doubt if that move happens, but it won't be because the Bulls said no. *** is a better player at this point...a legit go to guy. Deng is a good defender, just doesn't get it done offensively, especially when under pressure.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I doubt if that move happens, but it won't be because the Bulls said no. *** is a better player at this point...a legit go to guy. Deng is a good defender, just doesn't get it done offensively, especially when under pressure.

Hmm...I do remember Deng hitting some clutch shots last year, a few against Miami during the regular season are what stick out in my mind. He's certainly not a go to guy or maybe even a clutch guy (though I thought he was turning into one a little bit) but he's still a decent scorer imo. That wrist injury has really messed up his shot. Before then injury I though Deng was turning into a pretty reliable offensive option...good for 16-20 points a night.

 

[houheffna]

Hmm...I do remember Deng hitting some clutch shots last year, a few against Miami during the regular season are what stick out in my mind. He's certainly not a go to guy or maybe even a clutch guy (though I thought he was turning into one a little bit) but he's still a decent scorer imo. That wrist injury has really messed up his shot. Before then injury I though Deng was turning into a pretty reliable offensive option...good for 16-20 points a night.

Deng can't dribble, and cannot create for himself and teammates. He is a good player and top 10 at his position, but he is not better than Rudy *** at this point. Rudy is more of a talent offensively. I think he could really help Rose a lot.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Deng can't dribble, and cannot create for himself and teammates. He is a good player and top 10 at his position, but he is not better than Rudy *** at this point. Rudy is more of a talent offensively. I think he could really help Rose a lot.

Oh I agree totally, Rudy *** is far and away the better offensive player. In many ways, he's a better fit than Deng because of his shot creating ability. Deng is probably a better on ball defender, but *** is no slouch himself and is more athletic.

 

[FirstTimer]

Iggy for Deng?

 

[nwfisch]

Iggy for Deng?

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Get it done GarPax.

 

[Rose2Boozer]

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Get it done GarPax.

Nah, Melo and Amare won't work. Look at the 76ers team Iverson took to the 2001 NBA Finals. That's the type of team you have to build around Melo. Unfortunately, it would more than likely at best result in a finals lost like AI's Sixers.

 

[Scoot26]

Nah, Melo and Amare won't work. Look at the 76ers team Iverson took to the 2001 NBA Finals. That's the type of team you have to build around Melo. Unfortunately, it would more than likely at best result in a finals lost like AI's Sixers.

Thats how I've always pretty much viewed Melo. Thats why I've never wanted to pair him with Rose. Just because he's a Superstar doesnt mean he can work well with others who are also great.

 

[houheffna]

Nah, Melo and Amare won't work. Look at the 76ers team Iverson took to the 2001 NBA Finals. That's the type of team you have to build around Melo. Unfortunately, it would more than likely at best result in a finals lost like AI's Sixers.

That is one of the worst teams in finals history. You can win with better players around Melo than Eric Snow and George Lynch...

 

[Scoot26]

That is one of the worst teams in finals history. You can win with better players around Melo than Eric Snow and George Lynch...

Dikembe Mutombo and Aaron McKie were the better players on that team than Eric Snow and George Lynch.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Plus they had a guard who was unstoppable offensively!

 

[Rose2Boozer]

That is one of the worst teams in finals history. You can win with better players around Melo than Eric Snow and George Lynch...

Melo must be surrounded by shooters and defenders. It won't work any other way. If Melo is on a team with another guy that needs 20 shots it's going to be a absolute mess.

 

[Sunbiz1]

I think the important thing in that conversation I had with Scoot and others is that the front office of the Bulls do not believe they have enough...they say it, but they don't believe it. They have gone after every major free agent and any major player rumored available to be traded because Paxson knows what it takes.

The Bulls won with Paxson because they had Jordan, he was definitely the principal reason...but they had a superstar beside Jordan in Pippen, when he became a star, the Bulls begin winning titles. If Jordan couldn't win with a nice supporting cast, why do people think the Bulls will win like that?

Pax fell in love with his roster from 2007...I am sure some of the people on this thread would have said no 5 years ago to trading Deng for Kobe. But the Bulls value superstars. They are not settling for nice teams, not their philosophy. They want rings.

I expect Pax to make some moves this summer, or at least try to. He won't be complacent.

If Pax is so competent, he would have brought Gasol in several years ago to round out that undersized roster he was so in love with. And who exactly is currently making player personnel decisions, Gar, Pax, or both?.

The blame 4/this train-wreck should be shared by all. When Stern decided to jam too many games into a season for whatever reason, starting minutes should have been shortened. T is a great coach, but the early mistake opened the door for injuries. Boozer was supposed to be our Horace Grant, he isn't even close. Rip is too old and injured to be of any long-term use...the list goes on.

If they want rings, they better find someone who can truly evaluate the necessary talent.

 

[Scoot26]

If Pax is so competent, he would have brought Gasol in several years ago to round out that undersized roster he was so in love with. And who exactly is currently making player personnel decisions, Gar, Pax, or both?.

The Bulls tried to get Gasol. At the time, Jerry West wouldn't sell Gasol. West resigned and the new GM gave Gasol to the Lakers for peanuts. We were not in the right position at the right time. We had that dangling expiring PJ Brown contract in 06/07..perfect to acquire Gasol, but nope. A year later, we weren't in that position anymore.

The blame 4/this train-wreck should be shared by all. When Stern decided to jam too many games into a season for whatever reason, starting minutes should have been shortened. T is a great coach, but the early mistake opened the door for injuries. Boozer was supposed to be our Horace Grant, he isn't even close. Rip is too old and injured to be of any long-term use...the list goes on.

If they want rings, they better find someone who can truly evaluate the necessary talent.

Boozer was the backup upon backup option. He was the only big signing you could make at that point. He's pretty much what I expected in an aging power forward who could never play defense to begin with.

Thibs has not coached this season very intelligently in my opinion. Rose's injuries are mostly his own doing due to the style he plays. An injury of this magnitude was bound to happen. The one that to me really gets Thibs in trouble is Luol Deng and his minutes, especially when you have a perfect capable player, who should get minutes experiencing the NBA game on the bench, just sat there most nights.

Next year, we won't have to worry about a grueling schedule. Probably wont matter though because Rose will be out for awhile. Hopefully management makes moves to fill the void until he returns.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

I don't get how this was that hard to understand? I was saying that if the offer was on the table for the Bulls to get Howard, YOU DO IT!!

That guy is the best DAMN center in basketball. But I got crucified of sorts, and this is just showing how much Derrick meant to the bulls and how much the Bulls need a 2nd creator and borderline star.

Houheffna was right, along with myself, FT and any others who were smart enough to notice w/o Rose this team is 5 seed AT BEST. It sucks that most bulls' fans had to wait for rose to be gone in the playoffs for this realization, but hey at least now we know (unfortunately ) O well wonder what garpax has in store for this off-season.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

how about Luol Deng for Josh Smith?

I have talked about this amongst friends before, and think it could be a very good move and step in the right direction personally, he shoots the 3 a bit worse this luol this past season, he's just as good a defender in Thibs' scheme and tons and tons more athletic.

Not to mention he's a bit younger, can get his own shot and finish with some authority, and doesn't constantly need to be set up....... I'd say do it if ATL was willing to work with the bulls.

 

[houheffna]

Dikembe Mutombo and Aaron McKie were the better players on that team than Eric Snow and George Lynch.

McKie is not a starter on a contending team. That was a testament to the weakness in the conference, not to how good McKie was.

In today's NBA, you better put somebody better than McKie around Melo if you want to win. That team was horrible.