Must win for Cutler to remain a Bear

[iueyedoc]

Thing about Farve is he won more games than jay and the guy ended up in the SB. McCown plays plays within himself ( same way with Jim McMahan).
jays problem is he can't read "D" well enuff to utilize all the guys on the field. jay forces the to Marshall way too much.

McMahan was good because he was throwing to Willie Gelt. Plus they had Humptine, McMiglles, and Dint killing opposing QB's.

 

[proton]

If the Bears powers that be are going to base the decision to re-sign Cutler on one game then we collectively as fans are in for a ton of disappointment and frustration for years to come. And I certainly would not remain a fan if that is the way they make business decisions.

 

[SouthSida773]

Win or lose.. I still pray Cutler won't be a Bear next year

 

[Nick80]

Win or lose.. I still pray Cutler won't be a Bear next year

That's the spirit, never give up.

 

[inchibearfan]

His rating was still in the high 70s at the end of the game against the Eagles. Your right, he didn't play good but he did not have a stinker. Years past we would have won those games because our defense was really good. This year if the offense isn't lights out the Bears lose.

 

[inchibearfan]

Win or lose.. I still pray Cutler won't be a Bear next year

What quarterback do you want then? What free agent has the talent level to takes us to the Super Bowl? This is a horrible draft so the quarterback will have to come via free agency.

 

[r1terrell23]

If the Bears powers that be are going to base the decision to re-sign Cutler on one game then we collectively as fans are in for a ton of disappointment and frustration for years to come. And I certainly would not remain a fan if that is the way they make business decisions.

This one game is just going to be the icing on a 4 and a half year cake. The last straw.

 

[run and shoot]

Athough he has not just stared down Marshall this year... he sometimes stares down Jeffrey or Bennett.... That has always been a large part of my gripe about cutler.
Bad decision making, bad vision, and desire to go for everything in one shot happens WAY too often for my taste and can kill a game via turnovers.
The lack of desire to take what the defense gives him leads to many of the hits and sacks he suffers as well.
He also has not been very successful finding the favorable matchup in a blitz.

None of this is new. None of this will likely change.

I have not seen an improvement in those tendencies this year.
His results are SLIGHTLY improved, but honestly the addition of Bennett and emergence of Jeffrey are big enough factors to account for the improvement in results.

I have been a "move on from cutler guy" for a long time, but I honestly believe that if I had been a cutler supporter or fence sitter, watching McCown thrive here would have pushed me over the edge.
McCown played the most basic game he could, played as safely as he could, and the offensive playmakers around him thrived as a result.
If McCown can come in and do what he did given his lack of overall talents, I have no doubt in my mind that a talented rookie could step in and do that same to start with a much higher ceiling.

At the end of the day, Fixing Cutler is illogical. The best case scenario is to tame Cutler down, teach him how to progress through his reads, and stop making the risky shots downfield.... the end result, if successful, would be a QB that may in fact be a lesser version of McCown.

His aggressiveness that allows the occasional big play is inextricably tied to his turnovers, take away one and you will lose the other.
His decision making is not as quick as McCown it seems, and he is missing some of the little talents McCown has such as looking off the safety, cycling through his reads, being elusive in the pocket without rolling out, and selling a pump fake..... that just isn't Cutlers style.

As you said, Jay is Jay. 8 years tells us he is not going to change the up and down play, and tearing him down, chipping away at his game and making him McCown 2.0 is senseless when we have a coach that likely could teach a talented, less injured rookie to be the same thing.

The choice is crystal clear- 1- The Bears live and die with Cutlers up and down play, hoping to get a Eli manning-like streak in the playoffs.
2- Cut the losses and let Trestman draft and create a new player.... something he is purported to be good at.


The option everyone was hoping for- Cutler maintaining his big play ability AND cutting down the turnovers- is just not realistic.

We can all agree on exactly what he is for the most part. The likelyhood of that changing is slim to none (enough of the "lets give him another year in the system and see" is false hope... McCown hit his ceiling immediately and Cutler should have as well).
So do we break the bank or commit long term to someone who will likely produce at the same level he always has with the negative of being injury prone?

I would rather go with a draft pick, believe that Trestman can make him functional at the McCown level at least, and hope that he grows from there.

I think it is clear enough that Cutlers ceiling has been reached, and it isn't high enough to tie the team to it long term, especially when you factor in the injury concern.

good, clean, unbiased aanalysis

 

[run and shoot]

First Ciutler needed an oline, then he needed receivers, then he needed a decent o coach, now he needs a good defense.......when is Cutler ever going to strap this team on his back and carry them on his own.....I suspect never because he is nothing more than an average QB.......and when he is in games that are big he tends to be way less then average.

well he'll need better fans too, right ...lol

 

[WindyCity]

I don't think that this game will define what happens to Cutler.

But I keep asking myself what good is a Bears QB that cannot beat the Packers?

-Cutler is 1-7
-59.9 QB rating
-17 interceptions
-Lost the NFC Championship at home, I know he was hurt but he has 80 yards and a pick before that.

If Cutler cannot beat the Packers, at home, with a banged up AROD, in another elimination game does that not cause some serious questions?

 

[Nail Polish]

I don't think that this game will define what happens to Cutler.

But I keep asking myself what good is a Bears QB that cannot beat the Packers?

-Cutler is 1-7
-59.9 QB rating
-17 interceptions
-Lost the NFC Championship at home, I know he was hurt but he has 80 yards and a pick before that.

If Cutler cannot beat the Packers, at home, with a banged up AROD, in another elimination game does that not cause some serious questions?

I throw all the past games vs the Puke out cause of his shitty O line, and shitty WR's...Today is a different story though..Bears are at home..Rodgers is half hurt..Cutler has a good line and excellent receivers...he should win this game, or at least put up enough points to win..The D is another story

 

[run and shoot]

McMahan was good because he was throwing to Willie Gelt. Plus they had Humptine, McMiglles, and Dint killing opposing QB's.

McMahan ......WAS GOOD bcuz he made smart decisions with the football. He didn't hurt the team by forcing passes. The wr's we have now are better the Gault & Mckinnon

 

[run and shoot]

If the Bears powers that be are going to base the decision to re-sign Cutler on one game then we collectively as fans are in for a ton of disappointment and frustration for years to come. And I certainly would not remain a fan if that is the way they make business decisions.

This game is CULMINATION OF OUR invested 2 first round picks in jay. It truly comes down to this game. I'm the majority agree with me.

 

[WindyCity]

I throw all the past games vs the Puke out cause of his shitty O line, and shitty WR's...Today is a different story though..Bears are at home..Rodgers is half hurt..Cutler has a good line and excellent receivers...he should win this game, or at least put up enough points to win..The D is another story

So what happens if he stinks today?

What if he plays poorly?

You have been a Jay supporter would this shake your confidence on him?

 

[Thomas31]

I don't think that this game will define what happens to Cutler.

But I keep asking myself what good is a Bears QB that cannot beat the Packers?

-Cutler is 1-7
-59.9 QB rating
-17 interceptions
-Lost the NFC Championship at home, I know he was hurt but he has 80 yards and a pick before that.

If Cutler cannot beat the Packers, at home, with a banged up AROD, in another elimination game does that not cause some serious questions?

That's the thing. Let's say he does what he has historically done against the goudaheads, and we lose this game today. Why would ANYONE have confidence going forward that when he asks for whatever he asks for, it would lead to beating Rodgers? Rodgers is not going anywhere. We KNOW the defense is horrific. We are still(after 8 years in the league) trying to figure if Cutler has the potential that will be realized. He has an opportunity today. If a less than a 100% Rodgers outperforms Cutler at Soldier Field...wow....

BEARS

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

What quarterback do you want then? What free agent has the talent level to takes us to the Super Bowl? This is a horrible draft so the quarterback will have to come via free agency.

Just because you see it as a horrible draft class that doesnt mean thats the way Emery and Trestman see it.

 

[WindyCity]

That's the thing. Let's say he does what he has historically done against the goudaheads, and we lose this game today. Why would ANYONE have confidence going forward that when he asks for whatever he asks for, it would lead to beating Rodgers? Rodgers is not going anywhere. We KNOW the defense is horrific. We are still(after 8 years in the league) trying to figure if Cutler has the potential that will be realized. He has an opportunity today. If a less than a 100% Rodgers outperforms Cutler at Soldier Field...wow....

BEARS

I do not want to be over reactive about 1 game.

But what excuse does Cutler have to not play well today?

For me win of lose is less important for Cutler than he plays.

 

[Nail Polish]

So what happens if he stinks today?

What if he plays poorly?

You have been a Jay supporter would this shake your confidence on him?

If he sucks today, win or lose,I would have to start pondering if he belongs here. But "sucking" means different things to different people

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

If he sucks today, win or lose,I would have to start pondering if he belongs here. But "sucking" means different things to different people

How would you classify sucking in terms of Cutler? What would his stats have to be for you to make the turn around on Jay.

 

[WindyCity]

How would you classify sucking in terms of Cutler? What would his stats have to be for you to make the turn around on Jay.

If he throws 2-3 picks and does not score more than 30 points against a bad Packers defense would be what I am looking for.