Nady or Dunn.....

[waldo7239117]

This might be a pointless thread but I want to see what people think.

The Cubs reportedly have Dunn as there number 1 target this winter but is he a much better upgrade than Dunn? I'm not so sure about that. Granted, Dunn will way more hr and kill the ball at Wrigley. But, Nady will hit for a better average and play way better defense at 1B. As we all know, defense has to be better and Dunn will make it worse. Also, Nady will come cheaper and at less years then Dunn. Then, if the Cubs want to deal him, it will be eaiser and the Cubs won't have to pay any part of the contract.

So, if the Cubs get Nady for 10M less or something and at less years, the Cubs could get more needs such as RP, maybe another starter and a bench.

Who's your pick NADY or DUNN???? I'm leaning towards Nady because he's impressing me a lot and I think he is the better signing because of my reasons above.

 

[X]

I think it depends on whether or not we can unload Fukudome, personally. If we can rid ourselves of half his contract (i.e. pay half for him to go) then we could probably afford a Dunn deal...but I'm sooooo damn tired of being handcuffed due to bad, long-term signings...


idk.

 

[Captain Obvious]

This might be a pointless thread but I want to see what people think.

The Cubs reportedly have Dunn as there number 1 target this winter but is he a much better upgrade than Dunn? I'm not so sure about that. Granted, Dunn will way more hr and kill the ball at Wrigley. But, Nady will hit for a better average and play way better defense at 1B. As we all know, defense has to be better and Dunn will make it worse. Also, Nady will come cheaper and at less years then Dunn. Then, if the Cubs want to deal him, it will be eaiser and the Cubs won't have to pay any part of the contract.

So, if the Cubs get Nady for 10M less or something and at less years, the Cubs could get more needs such as RP, maybe another starter and a bench.

Who's your pick NADY or DUNN???? I'm leaning towards Nady because he's impressing me a lot and I think he is the better signing because of my reasons above.

You fucking moron. You are an absolutely fucktard. I swear to god, you will be the end of me posting on this site. I'm going to break this down for you.

Dunn will hit way more HR and will kill the ball. While X-Man will hit for a higher BA, who gives a ****? It's a stupid stat. Dunn will walk so much more, it won't even be funny. Dunn will more than likely play better defense than Nady. This year Dunn has a higher UZR and I think he will improve with more time. Nady on the other hand, I don't think will improve, because he won't be starting there.

While Nady will come cheaper and for a shorter length of time, we will be paying for a below replacement level player. That's Special person. So Dunn will actually be worth more, as he will be worth something positive and Nady will be worth about the same amount of shit you are worth.

I'm leaning toward Dunn because I'm not a fucking Special person.

 

[X]

I too am interested to see how Dunn stacks up against Dunn.

Payroll and salary issues aside, only the most Special person Cubs fans would say they want Xavier Nady over Adam Dunn, and to make it seem like there should be even a moment of discussion about this topic is equally as stupid.

We aren't the Yankees. Payroll and salary issues can't be put aside. Opening post made that point.

 

[Jntg4]

I too am interested to see how Dunn stacks up against Dunn.

I was going to make that point if you hadn't already done so.

 

[Jntg4]

We aren't the Yankees. Payroll and salary issues can't be put aside. Opening post made that point.

Nobody know what the Ricketts' budget is going to be, but since sources have said the Cubs are going to try to get Dunn, I'd trust that they are likely going to spend a bit, at least until they are beack up near the current payroll, probably higher IMO.

 

[waldo7239117]

Like X said...I don't want the Cubs to have another long term contract and thats another reasn. Also, Nady is a better defender than Dunn, no doubt. I'm not going to argue with you on that because I know I'm right.

Dunn and that's it.
Nady, 2 RP and a bench.

I'm starting to like Nady more and more now. Also, Dunn isn't going the answer to going back to the playoffs and the 10M he makes next year is way too much and a waste. Let the kinds play!

Dunn is the better player, don't get me wrong.

 

[waldo7239117]

I'm undecided right now...if the Cubs get more players that are good and will help win games, go for Dunn then. No doubt in my mind, he will be the better decision.

But, if Rickett gives JH a payroll limit and it's not high. Go for Nady then because you can get more than one player then. However, Nady has impressed me a lot since taking over the starting 1B job with his bat and defense.

It all depends until the offseason starts.

 

[X]

Nobody know what the Ricketts' budget is going to be, but since sources have said the Cubs are going to try to get Dunn, I'd trust that they are likely going to spend a bit, at least until they are beack up near the current payroll, probably higher IMO.

But that's just it...we DON'T know...but we know the Rickett's were trying in a bad way to shed pay-roll this year...to the point where the traded (twice!) arguably the best player we've had over the last 5 years for nothing just to rid themselves of his contract...Soriano, Z, Ramirez and Fukudome have bad contracts...Fukudome's may be movable in the offseason, Ramirez may me movable around the all-star break...But one would think the owner's are going to be conscientious about locking in a guy to another long term deal...

And keep in mind, Dunn will probably want more than 3 years...and he'll probably have quite a few suitors.

 

[poodski]

Man you guys are harsh on Waldo.

 

[Jntg4]

Let the kinds play!

Dude, we have no 1B Prospects, (except maybe Lalli). He isn't going to block anyone. Even if we draft a good 1B this year, we currently have the #9 pick, and SD automatically has #10 (compensation), and if we pass Milwaukee it'll be #11 (still protected though ). Any 1B we draft will kilely take more time than there will be on Dunn's contract would be to be ready.

 

[Rex Jaybels]

I'm leaning toward Dunn because I'm not a fucking Special person.

A little harsher than I might have put it, but Dunn is the clear choice here.

 

[Jntg4]

Man you guys are harsh on Waldo.

Ya but waldo just accepts it, so its fine.

 

[waldo7239117]

Dude, we have no 1B Prospects, (except maybe Lalli). He isn't going to block anyone. Even if we draft a good 1B this year, we currently have the #9 pick, and SD automatically has #10 (compensation), and if we pass Milwaukee it'll be #11 (still protected though ). Any 1B we draft will kilely take more time than there will be on Dunn's contract would be to be ready.

I know that, but cou;dn't the Cubs move someone to 1B. They have tons of OF and no where to put them. I actually like some of their OF in there minor league systems. I'm not talking about moving Colvin to 1B because I don't think he will be good.

 

[poodski]

Frankly it comes down to what you want to spend and what you have to spend.

Then it comes down to a few questions. Do you think Nady is this bad of a hitter or can he be the guy he was in 2008? Is Dunn really a neutral fielder at first base?

For me I don't think Nady is that good of a hitter. Career .339 wOBA isn't all that enticing from 1B. He certainly isn't as bad as he has been this year, but its hard to expect him to do much with less than 300 PA and after missing basically a full season. He is gonna have some rust, and his best months have come when he has gotten decent playing time. Regardless I don't think he is a long term option for us at 1B.

Now do you believe Dunn is really a neutral defender at 1st? Well I am not sure. I dont know yet, he might be. This is his first year really only playing 1B, and he has done decently, but he was just so bad at 1B prior to this its hard to look at this as more than just a small sample size. He is still a minus 15 UZR/150, his DRS is more inline with his career UZR/150, which puts him at -7 for the season.

Personally if we must get a 1B this offseason, give me Carlos Pena.

 

[Jntg4]

I know that, but cou;dn't the Cubs move someone to 1B. They have tons of OF and no where to put them. I actually like some of their OF in there minor league systems. I'm not talking about moving Colvin to 1B because I don't think he will be good.

You at college right now? Are you ditching class? I'm in HS just using the computer in class 'cause I got nothing better to do right now.

 

[Jntg4]

Frankly it comes down to what you want to spend and what you have to spend.

Then it comes down to a few questions. Do you think Nady is this bad of a hitter or can he be the guy he was in 2008? Is Dunn really a neutral fielder at first base?

For me I don't think Nady is that good of a hitter. Career .339 wOBA isn't all that enticing from 1B. He certainly isn't as bad as he has been this year, but its hard to expect him to do much with less than 300 PA and after missing basically a full season. He is gonna have some rust, and his best months have come when he has gotten decent playing time. Regardless I don't think he is a long term option for us at 1B.

Now do you believe Dunn is really a neutral defender at 1st? Well I am not sure. I dont know yet, he might be. This is his first year really only playing 1B, and he has done decently, but he was just so bad at 1B prior to this its hard to look at this as more than just a small sample size. He is still a minus 15 UZR/150, his DRS is more inline with his career UZR/150, which puts him at -7 for the season.

Personally if we must get a 1B this offseason, give me Carlos Pena.

Nady has been better lately though, still prefer Dunn.

 

[waldo7239117]

You at college right now? Are you ditching class? I'm in HS just using the computer in class 'cause I got nothing better to do right now.

I don't have class on Tuesday or Thursday...I've class on Monday, Wednesday and Friday only. I have work on Tuesday and Thursday. With that being said, I'm about to leave for work.

 

[waldo7239117]

Nady has been better lately though, still prefer Dunn.

I still prefer Dunn too but with the Cubs need and getting younger, I don't think it's the best season. Because, I think if the Cubs sign Dunn to a 3 year contract worth 10-12M, the Cubs will have like no money left and it will block younger players that could move from there old position to 1B.

 

[Jntg4]

I still prefer Dunn too but with the Cubs need and getting younger, I don't think it's the best season. Because, I think if the Cubs sign Dunn to a 3 year contract worth 10-12M, the Cubs will have like no money left and it will block younger players that could move from there old position to 1B.

Make up your mind man...

And quite honestly, I can see a 2006-2007 offseason with Dunn being the Soriano... or the Fukudome of the 2008-2009 offseason... but not being a fail.