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Who fucking cares if it was only a year! I hadn't seen QBing that bad since Johnathan Quinn!
Fair enough but it was ultimately harmless. No long term risk. Bears drafted a rookie QB anyways. He was never signed to be the answer. Bears were in a complete rebuild. Deals like Quinn, trevathan, foles are much worse because it effects the bears for multiple years with no flexibility to get out of the deals
 

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I remember a lot of people on this board loved the move when it was made. It was a bad signing in hindsight but not the worst considering Mitch was the QB1.

Moving up and drafting Fields more than makes up for the Foles deal.
I dont think we in favor understood the contract.

Or some of us, myself included. I wanted fresh blood at the position, lots of it, but not any more Ginger Giraffe type contracts.
 

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Fair enough but it was ultimately harmless. No long term risk. Bears drafted a rookie QB anyways. He was never signed to be the answer. Bears were in a complete rebuild. Deals like Quinn, trevathan, foles are much worse because it effects the bears for multiple years with no flexibility to get out of the deals
The cap is not a static one year number.

Wasting cap space is wasting cap space.

Every dollar of that Glennon money could have been rolled forward till the end of time or been used to front load Fuller’s contract and make it so he would still be on the team.

Not as bad as Foles, but pretty damn close.
 

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I'm still a believer in Nick Foles, and I think it would be a mistake to get rid of him. Say what you want about him as QB1, but if I need my backup to come in and play down the stretch in a big game, there's no other guy I'd rather have than Nick Foles.
Foles is fucking terrible. Package him with dalton and get rid of both of those fucks.
 

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Yes. We are going to have ended up coughing up a 4th round pick and 21 million dollars for 6 bad starts.

A trade would at least pull it out of dumpster fire territory.
I'm not saying it didn't turn out bad for the Bears cause it obviously did, just think you're overreacting on how bad it was/is. Plus this move was made for Nagy so Pace got the deal restructured the best he could, i've always made it very clear how i hate trading away draft picks but i'm not gonna get that mad about a 4th round comp pick as much as i'd get mad about if it was any of our normal picks. It's still a draft pick and i value even 4th round picks but it's a comp pick which means it's the end of the 4th round and i see what they were hoping for in getting Foles and think it was worth the shot.

I'm just hoping we can find a way to trade him even if we have to eat a couple mil to do it.
 

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Things were pretty tense after 2019. They then made a bunch of desperation moves and backloaded some crazy contracts in a hope of being better in 2020.

You are arguing the semantics of these less important part of the sentence, which is par for the course.
So to be clear there was never any rumors of Pace fighting for his job in that offseason like you said he was?
 

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Foles is fucking terrible. Package him with dalton and get rid of both of those fucks.

The trade for Foles crowd apologists are just as pathetic as the Trubisky apologists(me included). In no way was it ever a fucking good or even acceptable move. The guy is fucking garbage and the last sight of him in my mind was him crying like a cunt off the field with nothing more than just a boo-boo at the end of the Vikings game. Fuck that putz
 

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The trade for Foles crowd apologists are just as pathetic as the Trubisky apologists(me included). In no way was it ever a fucking good or even acceptable move. The guy is fucking garbage and the last sight of him in my mind was him crying like a cunt off the field with nothing more than just a boo-boo at the end of the Vikings game. Fuck that putz
Trading for Foles absolutely made sense before the trade was made. We can all go off of hindsight now and say it didn't work out and ended up a bad trade and some of you didn't like even before he played a game for us, but that doesn't mean that taking a shot on him didn't make sense.

We got the contract restructured to where if it did work out then we had a starting QB on a great deal. Whether anyone likes hearing it the guy did win a Super Bowl in the same type of system and that's a fact. I bet if i went back and checked the threads i would see some people talking differently after he came into that Atlanta game, that we were down big in, and made a great comeback win for us.

The trade is bad now and i hope we can get rid of him but wasn't bad when it was first made.
 

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Trading for Foles absolutely made sense before the trade was made. We can all go off of hindsight now and say it didn't work out and ended up a bad trade and some of you didn't like even before he played a game for us, but that doesn't mean that taking a shot on him didn't make sense.

We got the contract restructured to where if it did work out then we had a starting QB on a great deal. Whether anyone likes hearing it the guy did win a Super Bowl in the same type of system and that's a fact. I bet if i went back and checked the threads i would see some people talking differently after he came into that Atlanta game, that we were down big in, and made a great comeback win for us.

The trade is bad now and i hope we can get rid of him but wasn't bad when it was first made.

No he was fucking awful then and destined to be awful here.
 

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Wednesday, April 8​



Jaguars trade Nick Foles to the Bears

Chicago Bears get: QB Nick Foles
Jacksonville Jaguars get: 2020 fourth-round pick

Bears grade: C-
Jaguars grade: A-

Finally! We had to wait for the specific terms of Foles' restructured contract to come available, as it seemed almost impossible to believe that the Bears would inherit the three years and $57 million remaining on his contract. I assumed the Jaguars would have to attach a meaningful draft pick to get out of the $20.6 million in remaining guarantees they owed Foles, who was paid $30 million for his four starts in a Jaguars uniform.

Instead, the Jags got out of the deal and even netted a fourth-round pick for their efforts. General manager Dave Caldwell & Co. deserve a lot of credit for getting themselves out of the Foles pickle, even if they were the ones responsible for creating the pickle in the first place. Jacksonville will eat $18.8 million in dead money on its cap this season and then be free of the Foles deal from that point forward, leaving the team with more than $100 million in projected cap room for 2021.

The Bears were able to get creative with Foles' contract, in part because he was willing to give up virtually all of the non-guaranteed money to make the deal work. The former Super Bowl MVP is now on a three-year, $24 million contract with $21 million fully guaranteed, including $8 million in 2020, $8 million in 2021 and $5 million of the remaining $8 million in 2022. He has the chance to earn some of that money back with incentives, but given that he would have likely come away with something in the $12 million range over 2021 and 2022 as a backup after he was cut by the Jags, he gave up both the upside of his old deal and about $11 million in likely future earnings to move to the
There's nobody else on a veteran contract like this in football. Foles has most of his third year guaranteed, and when players get three guaranteed seasons, they're usually being paid like superstars. Borderline starters like Foles rarely get more than one guaranteed year on their deals. He is essentially guaranteed to get top-level backup money for two years and what will be mid-tier backup money in the third. That's not necessarily a bad deal in itself and it's much more in line with Foles' established level of play than his prior deal.

Giving up a fourth-round pick for an appropriately-compensated quarterback isn't a great move, though, given the other options for the Bears. They could have saved the money they spent on tight end Jimmy Graham and gone after a less expensive second pass-rusher than Robert Quinn and used that cash to go after Teddy Bridgewater or Tom Brady, both of whom seem like higher-floor options than Foles.

At a lower price, they could have waited for the Bengals to release Andy Dalton, who fits in the same group as Bridgewater or Brady, or gone after Cam Newton. (The claim that the Bears weren't interested in Newton because of his injury history makes you wonder whether they are even interested in leaking plausible arguments, given that Foles missed most of 2019 with a broken collarbone and hasn't been able to start for any extended length of time without getting injured.)

All four of those quarterbacks would have expected to start ahead of Mitchell Trubisky, whose recent history doesn't need to be rehashed here. While the organization has said that Foles and Trubisky are in a competition for the starting job, acquiring Foles and paying him like a high-end backup feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Chicago general manager Ryan Pace also said Trubisky was the team's starting quarterback as recently as the combine, just three weeks before acquiring Foles.) My suspicion is that the Bears still badly want Trubisky to win the job and traded for a quarterback who was just good enough to push him without being good enough to clearly push him aside.

Foles' upside is the stuff of legend, of course, but his résumé as a very good quarterback amounts to nine starts under Chip Kelly in 2013 and two playoff games under Doug Pederson in 2018, one of which came against the league's second-worst defense. Foles has posted a passer rating of 79.8 and averaged 6.4 yards per attempt across his 43 other starts, which is replacement-level stuff.

In the past, his supporters have suggested throwing out his run under Jeff Fisher with the Rams while suggesting he would excel under Andy Reid disciples. The Bears are hoping that carries over, given that coach Matt Nagy once worked under Reid and Pederson in Kansas City, while quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo was in the same role while Foles made his Super Bowl run.

I'm not sure that theory is convincing. Foles wasn't great last season in Jacksonville with DeFilippo as his offensive coordinator. During that six-game run to the Super Bowl in 2017 with Pederson and DeFilippo, he was wildly inconsistent, mixing in two disastrous starts at the end of the regular season and a first half against the Falcons in which a dropped interception turned into an Eagles completion and a critical field goal. Foles was only competent filling in again for an injured Wentz the following season under Pederson.

That run in 2013 came under Kelly (and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, now the Chicago offensive coordinator) in an offense the league simply wasn't ready to stop. When the league adjusted to Kelly's tempo in 2014, Foles' numbers immediately retreated back to earth. He can look good for a short period of time in a system that's built around his strengths, but Nagy wasn't able to build that offense for Trubisky last season, and Foles' injury history doesn't make it likely he would hold up for an entire campaign. I understand why the Bears acquired Foles, but I don't think he actually solves their quarterback problem.


Pace traded away cap space and a 4th rounder for a guy who lost his job to Minshew. Keep apologizing for Foles you dipshits. He was always going to suck, much like Mitch.


 

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The trade for Foles crowd apologists are just as pathetic as the Trubisky apologists(me included). In no way was it ever a fucking good or even acceptable move. The guy is fucking garbage and the last sight of him in my mind was him crying like a cunt off the field with nothing more than just a boo-boo at the end of the Vikings game. Fuck that putz
They could have saved a first and not been stuck with that shit contract by just getting dalton instead. He signed with the cowboys for 2.5 mil to boot. Of course a year later pace pays him 10 mil which is another issue in itself.

there is a reason this team isn’t in a good spot. @dabears70 is a mental midget and won’t understand anything you throw his way.
 

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Glennon

4 games 18 million

Foles

6 games, 21 million, 4th round pick, torpedoed a trade to save the Bears huge cap space.

Foles cost a little less per terrible start, but also cost you a 4th round pick, then he F-Ed you not taking the trade

I'm not talking about price, I'm talking about performance. Glennon was WAAAAAY worse than Foles and it isn't even close.
 

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We desperately need to trade him. It is the difference between saving 3 and 12 million which is huge for us right now.

I would attach a 2023 pick to him to get rid of him.

He already torpedoed one trade and he is missing from OTAs after he was the 3rd QB. So who knows what is going on with him.
Not to mention that the eventual third QB (if it's not Foles) is missing valuable development time.
 

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So to be clear there was never any rumors of Pace fighting for his job in that offseason like you said he was?


 

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I'm not talking about price, I'm talking about performance. Glennon was WAAAAAY worse than Foles and it isn't even close.
Performance yes, Glennon was pathetic,
 

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Trading for Foles absolutely made sense before the trade was made. We can all go off of hindsight now and say it didn't work out and ended up a bad trade and some of you didn't like even before he played a game for us, but that doesn't mean that taking a shot on him didn't make sense.

We got the contract restructured to where if it did work out then we had a starting QB on a great deal. Whether anyone likes hearing it the guy did win a Super Bowl in the same type of system and that's a fact. I bet if i went back and checked the threads i would see some people talking differently after he came into that Atlanta game, that we were down big in, and made a great comeback win for us.

The trade is bad now and i hope we can get rid of him but wasn't bad when it was first made.
The trade made some sense.

But it was a huge risk.

It has officially blown up in their faces.

When you make a risky play, even one that makes sense, you still have to deal with the consequences of it.
 

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They could have saved a first and not been stuck with that shit contract by just getting dalton instead. He signed with the cowboys for 2.5 mil to boot. Of course a year later pace pays him 10 mil which is another issue in itself.

there is a reason this team isn’t in a good spot. @dabears70 is a mental midget and won’t understand anything you throw his way.

If they signed dalton he might have been good enough last year to make pace think he was the answer.

Then the viqueens would have justin fields skullfucking your eyes out on a yearly basis while we have an ancient andy dalton.
 

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I'm sorry but did i just see you use a SportsMockery article to try and say Pace was on the hot seat in 2020? Hahaha. That's the site you've always clowned for being a bunch of idiots and click bait right?

Rumors are just that, rumors. This is just writers making shit up with no reliable source which i'm sure you know and they did also use a ? in their titles. But hey you were right that there was a rumor that Pace was on the hot seat, the problem is he did go 8-8 again (which the article said he couldn't do) and he still kept his job which just goes to show that those rumors were nothing more than rumors.

#SportsMockery....:parrot:
 

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