Niemis Arbitration

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Oh yeah, Niemi.



Zito is a different form of cancer. Hope Stan plays hardball with him. Maybe discourage others from hiring the bastard.



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Would arbitration really give Niemi that much of a bonus? Sure they tend to make their ruling on statistics alone, but Niemi has less than half an NHL season under his belt for his entire career. He won a cup, but if they want to play the stats card, he wasn't that impressive at all during the Philly series. The hearing can really go either way.
 
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[quote name="Rex"]Would arbitration really give Niemi that much of a bonus? Sure they tend to make their ruling on statistics alone, but Niemi has less than half an NHL season under his belt for his entire career. He won a cup, but if they want to play the stats card, he wasn't that impressive at all during the Philly series. The hearing can really go either way.[/quote]



If Niemi really goes by the basis that "he's a Stanley Cup Champion", he's really got something coming to him.



Arbitration alone wouldn't give him that much extra. There would be a median between the two numbers, and the arbitrater would see to it that that median is reached. Niemi is therefore asked to agree to it. Whether he whines like a little baby about it is yet to be seen, but from what people are saying here, he wants to stay here.



By stats alone, the team will win that case, whether he likes it or not. I wonder, honestly, what the team is offering and what he is wanting...
 

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the thing I have been wondering all along, is why Bowman didn't lock these guys up BEFORE the season ended. He could have done that before they made it to the play offs or the final round and averted all of the arbitration and Sharks offer all together.
 
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[quote name="fanof19"]the thing I have been wondering all along, is why Bowman didn't lock these guys up BEFORE the season ended. He could have done that before they made it to the play offs or the final round and averted all of the arbitration and Sharks offer all together.[/quote]



That would have been nice... but wouldn't they tell you "we didn't want to break focus on the ultimate goal" if they did it before the finals?
 
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[quote name="fanof19"]the thing I have been wondering all along, is why Bowman didn't lock these guys up BEFORE the season ended. He could have done that before they made it to the play offs or the final round and averted all of the arbitration and Sharks offer all together.[/quote]



This is true, but on the other hand maybe better have the player focused on the upcoming playoffs than on contract negotiations.
 

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



That would have been nice... but wouldn't they tell you "we didn't want to break focus on the ultimate goal" if they did it before the finals?[/quote]



well they could say that, but I doubt that the agent needs much focus on the game at that time, and the agent is the one doing the negotiating.
 

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[quote name="fanof19"]



well they could say that, but I doubt that the agent needs much focus on the game at that time, and the agent is the one doing the negotiating.[/quote]

But he must be consulting with the player during the process, too.
 

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But he must be consulting with the player during the process, too.[/quote]



my point being, that he could have averted all of this by signing them back in Feb or even March. They wouldn't have demanded a higher price, and it's not like players are never re-signed at that point.



(The big 3 were signed in the Fall. They were poised to be signed in the prior late spring, but McD asked that it be held off until September.)
 
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[quote name="fanof19"]



my point being, that he could have averted all of this by signing them back in Feb or even March. They wouldn't have demanded a higher price, and it's not like players are never re-signed at that point.



(The big 3 were signed in the Fall. They were poised to be signed in the prior late spring, but McD asked that it be held off until September.)[/quote]



Probably would have gotten them both for a lot less back in February for sure... maybe 2.5mil or less each?
 
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But question is would the players have signed contracts earlier, knowing that a good performance in the playoffs could increase their value.
 

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[quote name="fanof19"]the thing I have been wondering all along, is why Bowman didn't lock these guys up BEFORE the season ended. He could have done that before they made it to the play offs or the final round and averted all of the arbitration and Sharks offer all together.[/quote]





They had no Cap Space to do so. They were already over the "projected Cap" with Keith/Kane/Toews contract.



Main reason we are eating 4.5 some mil off the top of the Cap this year.
 
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[quote name="R K"]





They had no Cap Space to do so. They were already over the "projected Cap" with Keith/Kane/Toews contract.



Main reason we are eating 4.5 some mil off the top of the Cap this year.[/quote]



Ah yes, forgot about that "tagging rule" business.
 
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Do we have any stats on first or second year goalies that won the cup, and what their salary was the year after that?
 
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Cam Ward comes to mind....but he played 1 season after, then signed a 3yr - 8mil



I'm sure though Zito is leaning towards Jonas Hiller (undrafted, took Giguere's job) and Halak as benchmarks though
 

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Jonas Hiller cannot be used as a benchmark since his current deal was signed in January 2010. Hiller was never an RFA. And contrary to my post earlier in this thread, the same may be the case with Ward.



The universe of contract comparables in this arbitration situation is rather small since UFA negotiated contracts can't be used and a player's contract which began when the player was not a group 2 player(RFA) cannot be used. Halak is pretty much it.



One wild card is Carey Price but it seems as if little movement is being made in those negotiations. At least in regards to a week from tomorrow if it gets to that point.
 
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[quote name="Larmer83"]Jonas Hiller cannot be used as a benchmark since his current deal was signed in January 2010. Hiller was never an RFA. And contrary to my post earlier in this thread, the same may be the case with Ward.



The universe of contract comparables in this arbitration situation is rather small since UFA negotiated contracts can't be used and a player's contract which began when the player was not a group 2 player(RFA) cannot be used. Halak is pretty much it.



One wild card is Carey Price but it seems as if little movement is being made in those negotiations. At least in regards to a week from tomorrow if it gets to that point.[/quote]



Right - but I guarentee you thats what the agent is going to "lean" to, when comes to asking price - in Hiller and Halak's numbers, and Ward was an example of someone needing to be signed after winning the cup early in his career- albeit a season later.
 
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....left to sign Niemi .....sign him for around 2 - 2.25 mil per, and have some play room
 
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honest question, who the hell are these guys?



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Connelly is a prospect I believe? both of them are I assume?
 
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