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Your just going around in circles. IMO Kurt Thomas is better than Howard. As a worst case scenairo Juwan Howard is slightly better. It doesn't matter, these guys won't play more than 10mpg. Gibson will be our primary back up big and get most of the backup minutes at both postions. Almost all of our fron cout minutes will be divided between the three of them. Noah and Boozer will get around 32mpg and Gibson will get about 25mpg. Leaving Thomas and Asik about 7mpg depending on matchups and game situations. I don't see Howard or Thomas playing a key role for either team. And useing the term backup Center is kinda generous. Gibson is miles ahead of him these days and most teams don't have true centers the entire 48 minutes.
As far as the article, thanks, i didn't see that and its an interesting read.
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LOL. Yeah I'm going around in circles by pointing out that a guy who is the 3rd or 4th option for the Heat at both post postions maybe in your opinion marginally better than our back up center is relevant when discussing the depth of two teams.
How can you not comprehend that?
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A few posts ago Thomas ws only going to play 4-6 MPG...his playing time has already doubled!
Again: Kurt Thomas is our backup center. He will likely play in the neighbor hoodof 15MPG much like he did last season for the Bucks while backing up Bogut.
Actually it's "kinda" accurate................
Kurt Thomas played 15MPG last season for the Bucks as thei backup center. Now he is backing up a guy who played more MPG than Noah did and Noah is coming off a foot inury last year that is usually a chronic one. .........
Obviously........
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I don't think Kurt Thomas or Juwan Howard will be deciding any games for either team. So it is pointless and I still think that Thomas is the better player.
I also don't think Kurt will be getting that many minutes. Gibson will see the vast majority of backup minutes at both front court spots.
And last time i checked 4-6 and less than 10 fall into the same range. I set 10 as a absolute max.
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You mean theyw on't be running ISO's for them with the game on the line? No way!?!?!?
LOL at depth in the front court being pointless. I'm sure a Celtics fan would have said Leon powe never would have decided a game for the Celtics either....until Game 2 of the Finals.
Great! Let's wear down Gibson too!
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Well, when Kurt Thomas is the Bulls' starting center, and averaging 20 minutes, and someone like Erick Dampier averaging another 20... we'll see which of FirstTimer's arguements he still believes in.
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What two arguments are those?
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#1 - 'you like Kurt Thomas as the back-up C? lulz'
#2 - 'who cares if the Bulls lose depth and talent at C when they can get MELO?! omgz'
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You two are hilarious. What I said a couple weeks ago is still possible. The Deng-Gibson-Johnson-two 1st-rd picks for Melo deal can STILL happen.
If Denver is willing to consider trading for Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko, and one 1st rd pick - just a couple of days ago.... what makes you believe that they won't consider the deal emboldened? It is better in some ways than what they would have gotten in the 4-team trade.
If Denver is willing to consider trading for Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko, and one 1st rd pick - just a couple of days ago.... what makes you believe that they won't consider the deal emboldened? It is better in some ways than what they would have gotten in the 4-team trade.
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This is the "miracle trade" that the Bulls need. It's on the same caliber that of the KG and Gasol trades in terms of divine intervention.
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You are right. I have said also that they will play the waiting game and I believe that the Bulls believe they are still in the mix for him. The Charlotte draft pick and one of their own along with Deng and Gibson might be the best offer the Bulls put on the table. Not that I agree with that premise, I still think Noah should have been included but the Bulls are thinking big...
Noah with Anthony makes this team a top 3 team that could contend with anybody, at least on paper. The Bulls are being greedy, relying on the fact that New Jersey may now be dis-enamored because of recent trade talks falling through and Devin Harris losing faith in the franchise already and training camp hasn't started. Also the fact that the Knicks have decent talent to offer, some expirings, but no draft picks. And at this point Denver needs draft picks the most because even with cap space, I can't see anybody really clamoring to go to Denver with Anthony gone. Its a big gamble, we will see what happens.
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Good point
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If you have Melo at SF I'll be more than happy throwing a garbageman center out there.
Bulls w/Melo and no Deng and Noah>>>Bulls with no Melo and Deng and Noah.
For this season and future seasons.
On top of all this you STILL aren't getting it. Laughing at Kurt Thomas being our back up center has more to do with laughing at people saying we have "depth" in the front court..when Kurt Thomas...who isn't that good is our back up 5....and I've already said on the first page of this thread that I'd be willing to trot out sub par centers if we had Melo on this team.
Again from page one I'd be more than willing trying to patch work together some defense and rebounding at the 5 if it means we have one of the top 5-10 players in the NBA.
You fucking clown.
Still taking time to try and wrap your head around Lefty's stats?
Because it's already been rumored/confirmed/etc that they don't want Deng?...and they want Noah...and the Bulls apparently don't want to give up Noah?
I mean outside of you including a player Denver doesn't want in that trade, not including the player Denver does want in that trade and your trend towards general idiocy yeah this trade idea looks great.
If the Bulls really want Melo they are going to have to give up Noah. It's just the way it is. Denver would most likely be willing to eat the turd that is Luol Deng and his contract if Noah and some picks came back.
Deng isn't that attractive of an asset due to his being a slightly above average SF, he's oft injured, and his contract is awful. But he's a needed piece to make money match up. He's an ok piece in the trade and an alright player but obviously Denver isn't that high on him.
Gibson is a nice player but at the end of the day he's only played one year and is still a bit of an unknown.
James Johnson is fucking awful. Just terrible and awful.
The way this trade is currently set up you're basically giving Denver one player they might be luke warm on(Gibson), a player they have to bite the bullet to take for money purposes but really probably don't want if it wasn't for that(Deng), and a piece of hot trash(Johnson) and some 1st round picks....which would end up being late rounders because the Bulls would be a very good team with Melo. That's not an attractive option to them.
If Denver is really that high on Noah you have to include him in the trade to actually give Denver something of value and something they want in order to pry Melo from them.
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The problem with the waiting game is that if you lose, there aren't anymore top 10 players to trade for. I'd rather overpay and clear a couple of big salaries and consiladate talent then be stuck in the status quo.
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Somebody answer this question:
If 'Melo turns down the NJN deal, what better possibilities (for the Nuggets) are there (assuming Joakim Noah is off the table)?
Is there one team out of all 28 teams, other than the Bulls, who can offer the Nuggets a better package?
What are some examples?
If 'Melo turns down the NJN deal, what better possibilities (for the Nuggets) are there (assuming Joakim Noah is off the table)?
Is there one team out of all 28 teams, other than the Bulls, who can offer the Nuggets a better package?
What are some examples?
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Deng, Gibson, and JJ is not a good package. At all.
Deng is average, Gibson is young nd while a nice player not that great, and JJ fucking blows.
NBA2k11:
Chi Offers:
Deng
Gibson
James Johnson
Den Offers:
Carmelo Anthony
CPU says... lulz.
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Your not understanding Denver. After trading Melo, they are going to rebuild. Its amazing that they are even considering Noah and Deng, Melo and his team are really forcing their hand. They wouldn't take Devin Harris, an allstar, because they are concerned about his 27 mill left, Deng has double. Denver wants an expiring, a very good propect and picks. NJ's hold up is Melo. Someone will find a 3 way to get them expirings or NY will find a way to get some picks to send to Denver. Its not over.