Not surprisingly, Bulls out of Melo sweepstakes

[FirstTimer]

Can you at the very least admit that the trade would be risky?

Yeah I mean Melo could die in a plane crash on his way to Chicago.

How "risky" would you like the trade to be?

Every trade involves a certain amount of risk.

That doesn't mean that this trade is still a no brainer...minute risk there or not.

You would be essentially giving up two quality starters for one.

You'd be giving up two "quality starters" for one of the BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA.

You were talking about depth being important before... that plays into depth.

You're not losing any depth at the SF position. You're gaining talent. And you're losing depth at center..where you are already thin and I already covered that scenario back on PAGE FUCKING ONE.

Jesus H Christ.

You were talking about Miami seemingly having a better front-court. That trade ensures they will long into the future - by leaps and bounds.

Yeah assuming we make no other moves after the trade to help at center...eitehr this season or next season...which would be a Special person assumption to make.

AGAIN: PAGE FUCKING ONE.

You and Lefty were talking about doing financially smart decisions... and now you have back-tracked off of that just to make your point that 'Miami and LA have spent big money on contracts and it has paid off so that means we should too.'

No, I haven't backed off that. I was offering a counter point to your idea that the Bulls somehow need to be smart with money because of some hypothetical CBA. When you compare the Bulls to the league after this trade they'd still be fine considering what other teams are doing. So you have no point...and.............

So being smart with money is only important when it jussssssst so happens to help your arguement, eh?

You are fucking clueless. Honestly.

Fail. The Bulls would be smart with the money no matter what. Rather than overpaying Deng and overpaying/paying Noah you'd be putting a max deal at market value to one of the best players in the league. If the CBA doesn't change that's smart money...and if the CBA changes it'd still be smart money. Unless you are somehow asserting that LA, Boston, Miami, etc are currently being stupid with their money?

I feel that regardless of some possible hypothetical future CBA that LA, Boston, Miami are all spending money wisely. Therefore if the Bulls were to spend like them it would be smart no matter what the CBA does. That was the point of bringing up the other teams. I wasn't pointing out they were stupidly or unwisely spending money..I was pointing out they were spending it in general even in the face of this new CBA....and that the Bulls should follow suit......and those teams arein championship contention and will be for the foreseeable future.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Miami. still. would. be. better. than. Chicago.

Carmelo Anthony in no way competes with LeBron James... he will get killed in that match-up. Who are they going to replace Noah with? Erick Dampier? Please. Even if their line-up was miraculously Nene-Boozer-Melo-Brewer-Rose, Miami would still most likely decisively beat the Bulls. And they won't get a center like Nene... they simply wouldn't be able to afford it.

And you still pretend like you know for a fact that Noah will get overpaid. You don't know that. It's as simple as that.

I didn't say that L.A., Miami, and Boston made bad moves by signing those big contracts. What I'm saying is that they already built contending teams based on salary cap being as high as it is, and because of how high teams are allowed to spend on players over x-amounts of years. The Bulls D-O-N-T have a championship team, and if they commit to a huge contract for Melo now, and THEN financial restrictions prevent the Bulls from doing just about ANYTHING else to get better... besides getting some rebounding/defensive depth at the C position... they are screwed. Simple as that. 'Melo being a top 10 player isn't going to make the Bulls a championship contender.

 

[FirstTimer]

Miami. still. would. be. better. than. Chicago.

No. fucking. shit. You. fucking. idiot.


I never said they'd be better..but they would have closed the gap and would have two All-Star/All NBA/All Star/Top 5-10/Top20 players to build around.

Again. Rebounding and defense is a more easily replaceable asset than a Top 5-10 player in the NBA and 28ppg.

Have you been paying attention at all?

No one said or implied this move makes the Bulls better than the Heat. It just makes them a better team in general and moves them toward the Heat...which is the entire idea whileplaying catch up. Keeping Noah and Deng and is treading water.

Carmelo Anthony in no way competes with LeBron James... he will get killed in that match-up.

He hasn't in the past. In fact last year they had an epic showdown in Cleveland...then again you'd actually have to watch the games to understand that. Melo dropped 40/6/7 on Lebron and the Cavs. Yep. He sure got killed.

Who are they going to replace Noah with? Erick Dampier?

No idea. Nor do I care. You take care of getting Melo first then plugging in the defensive/rebounding center after the fact. You make the move to improve your team by bringing in the best player possible and replace the more easily replacable asset after the fact.

And you still pretend like you know for a fact that Noah will get overpaid. You don't know that. It's as simple as that.

Did you even read what I wrote? I said overpaid/paid. Which means I openly pointed out the fact that he might not get "overpaid".

Honest question: Do you wear a helmet out in public?

I didn't say that L.A., Miami, and Boston made bad moves by signing those big contracts.

I never said you did. I asked a fucking question you clueless asshat. Hence the "?".

Lord almighty.

The Bulls D-O-N-T have a championship team

I know.

THEN financial restrictions prevent the Bulls from doing just about ANYTHING else to get better.

Then at least 50% of the league...including the Heat, Celtic, Lakers, Orlando, etc are all screwed....so at that point all bets are off.

You make choices based on what you know. You know Carmelo makes you a better team and kveos you up the ladder in the East and at least puts you in discussions for the ECF or a challenger to Miami.

You have no idea what the CBA will do/will be/won't be etc etc etc

You cross the CBA bridge when and if you ever get there. For now you make the move to make the team better and put a Top 5-10 NBA player just entering his prime along side a very good PF and your emerging Top 15-25 NBA player PG

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I am at least willing to consider making that trade.

So that must make me smarter than the Bulls' FO, according to your logic, huh.

LAL, MIA, BOS all have contending teams already.

They'll be perfectly fine for years to come.

You assume 'Melo would make the Bulls a better team.

But you don't know - that is an opinion.

I'll take Noah-Boozer-Deng-Brewer-Rose over trash center+Boozer+Melo+Brewer+Rose any day of the week.

Oh yeah... any garbage center we throw in there will do because rebounding is soooo easy to come by.

blah. blah. blah. blah. blah.

I'm sure the Bulls will become cointenders and beat Miami with any worthless C.

Right.

So because we have "no idea" (not true) how the CBA will turn out means the Bulls should just spend like a rich kid in a candy store because we would have Melo to throw out there against James, Wade, and Bosh!

Give me a break.

 

[RandallPinkFloyd42]

This is one of the most intense threads I've seen since I've been here. I wouldn't be surprised at all if 'Melo ended up not being traded.

 

[FirstTimer]

I am at least willing to consider making that trade.

Which only makes you half 'tard I guess?

Congrats.

So that must make me smarter than the Bulls' FO, according to your logic, huh.

Congrats again?

LAL, MIA, BOS all have contending teams already.

Because they went out and spent $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on big time players or paid big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to keep big time All NBA players there..........

Is NONE of this sinking in?

You assume 'Melo would make the Bulls a better team

Because he would..........

I'll take Noah-Boozer-Deng-Brewer-Rose over trash center+Boozer+Melo+Brewer+Rose any day of the week.

Thank you for holding back basketball thinking in this town.

I'll throw you a parade full of short busses

Oh yeah... any garbage center we throw in there will do because rebounding is soooo easy to come by.

Yep, I said "any center"...and Inever said rebounding was "easy" in general to come by.

All I(and Lefty) said was it's statistical fact that rebounding is a more easily replacable asset than scoring.Hence...it would be easier to replace Noah's rebounding than it would to replace Melo's scoring.

Is all of this REALLY that tough to comprehend?

blah. blah. blah. blah. blah.

I'm sure the Bulls will become cointenders and beat Miami with any worthless C.

Never said that.

Again:

I said I would rather be trying to replace a rebounding center than not having a Top 5-10 NBA player on the wing.

So because we have "no idea" (not true)

Really? Please inform all the NBA teams(namely the Heat) who just spent massive amounts of money how this will all pan out.

means the Bulls should just spend like a rich kid in a candy store because we would have Melo to throw out there against James, Wade, and Bosh!

Yep. We are going to cut the 11 other guys and play 1 on 3.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

There are no facts involved.

They are called opinions.

And broad mathematical overviews.

You're a self-righteous, pompous troll.

You think you have the answer to every question.

And you will look to "prove" (hahahahaha) your opinions until you deem yourself the victor of the hissy fit match.

You win.

You're the biggest loser.

:confetti:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

By the way,

LA

Boston

Miami

all need fucking miracle trades and signings

(Gasol-for Kwame; Garnett-for-trash; landing Wade, James, and Bosh when they could've easily come away with NOTHING)

just to be contenders.

 

[Rose2Boozer]

If the Bulls can aquire Melo they have to go for it. I don't care if Noah, Deng, and Taj gets thrown into the package. Fans (and FO's) always make the mistake by falling in love with the players they have, that they had moderate success with. I love Noah, but he's a center that doesn't have much of a offensive game and struggles defensively with stronger centers. He is a big part of the team and would leave a hole, but aquiring Melo would fill a huge gap in the Bulls attack as well. I like the Bulls roster as currently constructed, but they need another guy on the perimeter that can create his own offense. It's not a piece that would be nice to have, it's a piece that is needed for the Bulls to truly consider themselves contenders. The FO (or fans) would be crazy to expect Deng to do more with less. I think signing of Boozer will knock Deng's production down a few notches. I wouldn't make the mistake of over-valuing his 18 ppg on high volume minutes.

 

[Lefty]

There are no facts involved.

They are called opinions.

And broad mathematical overviews.

You're a self-righteous, pompous troll.

You think you have the answer to every question.

And you will look to "prove" (hahahahaha) your opinions until you deem yourself the victor of the hissy fit match.

You win.

You're the biggest loser.

:confetti:

You're obviously too fucking stupid to understand what the coefficient of determination is, much less what one of .93 implies, so do yourself a favor and don't try to discredit the math that you clearly are incapable of understanding, you just come off looking like even more of a homerish dipshit. Like, seriously, are you that fucking stupid or what?

 

[FirstTimer]

By the way,

LA

Boston

Miami

all need fucking miracle trades and signings

(Gasol-for Kwame; Garnett-for-trash; landing Wade, James, and Bosh when they could've easily come away with NOTHING)

just to be contenders.

There was no miracle to the Miami situation.

Read the SI article I posted.

Riley had been planning this for years. It was a well laid, well thought out, and excellently carried out plan.

And the Bulls pulling off a HUGE trade qualifies as well. It doesn't equate to them giving away trash but they are still giving away two less valuable assets for one more valuable one....and "winning" the trade. Which is what you have to do in the NBA. Use your assets to acquire better peices.

"Just to be contenders"...LOL. Chicago spent all their cap space and STILL isn't. At least those other teams made good use of it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You're obviously too fucking stupid to understand what the coefficient of determination is, much less what one of .93 implies, so do yourself a favor and don't try to discredit the math that you clearly are incapable of understanding, you just come off looking like even more of a homerish dipshit. Like, seriously, are you that fucking stupid or what?

And you're too fucking stupid to actually..hmmm... i dunno.... APPLY it to the Bulls' line-up, and break it down on a play-by-play level.

You're fucking little chart is just a broad spectrum of bullshit.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes, first-timer... because there is only one mean to an end.

fuckin' brilliant

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes, first-timer... because there is only one mean to an end.

fuckin' brilliant

Well we've seen where the Bulls means have gotten them.

A lot of spent money...and still not a contender.


Strike up the band!

 

[FirstTimer]

If the Bulls can aquire Melo they have to go for it. I don't care if Noah, Deng, and Taj gets thrown into the package. Fans (and FO's) always make the mistake by falling in love with the players they have, that they had moderate success with. I love Noah, but he's a center that doesn't have much of a offensive game and struggles defensively with stronger centers. He is a big part of the is and would leave a hole, but aquiring Melo would fill a huge gap in the Bulls attack as well. I like the Bulls roster as currently constructed, but they need another guy on the perimeter that can create his own offense. It's not a piece that would be nice to have, it's a piece that is needed for the Bulls to truly consider themselves contenders. The FO (or fans) would be crazy to expect Deng to do more with less. I think signing of Boozer will knock Deng's production down a few notches. I wouldn't make the mistake of over-valuing his 18 ppg on high volume minutes.

Please post more.

 

[Lefty]

And you're too fucking stupid to actually..hmmm... i dunno.... APPLY it to the Bulls' line-up, and break it down on a play-by-play level.

You're fucking little chart is just a broad spectrum of bullshit.

I HAVE applied it, you dipshit. What, do you think that I think Carmelo Anthony is just a really nice guy, and that's why I want him on the team? He makes the Bulls better, because he is elite in an area that contributes a lot more towards winning than any other combined facets of the game and would thusly make the Bulls a better team.

And, if you want another angle on this deal: rebounding is overvalued. We have demonstrated that rebounding is not as important as scoring in the NBA, yet we see everyday people lauding a certain player's rebounding abilities and sacrificing young talent, draft picks or millions of dollars to get them. So despite being not worth as much as scoring, people are still willing to pay out the nose for rebounding, and as such rebounding is overvalued by the market still. So what do we have in the case of the Bulls? We have a chance for them to trade away an albatross contract and an overvalued asset in exchange for a player that is elite in the area of the game that has the most to do with winning games. This is a no brainer.

But no, the math is "just opinion" and '"has nothing to do with this team" or some other asinine bullshit you can think up. You're a joke.

 

[Lefty]

And FT now I DO feel like Bernsie....wow. Just hounded by the stupid.

 

[FirstTimer]

Noah is All-Time Grindy

 

[Lefty]

I'm surprised THAT hasn't cropped up, the "fire and passion you get from Noah" arguments. Actually, I'm glad. I didn't want to have to shoot myself in the face.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm surprised THAT hasn't cropped up, the "fire and passion you get from Noah" arguments. Actually, I'm glad. I didn't want to have to shoot myself in the face.

Mt Rushmore of Grindy:

Rowand
Noah
Waddle
???