Now that the season is over

[CSF77]

So based on that he was 67th out of 112 on blocking runs. That’s not good. That supports what I said. He was poor at blocking balls. I guess what was obvious from watching was correct then. Also his pitch framing is crap. His game calling is likely crap. He shouldn’t be catching.

I don't know about game calling.

Framing is a sketchy stat.

2017: -2.8 Framing runs
2018: -17
2019: -8


So if you can get Grandal then sure. I would not accept adding glove to lose bat.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I don't know about game calling.

Framing is a sketchy stat.

2017: -2.8 Framing runs
2018: -17
2019: -8


So if you can get Grandal then sure. I would not accept adding glove to lose bat.

But you don’t have to lose his bat. He could look likely be an above average outfielder. I think a strong defensive catcher is highly undervalued. It likely makes the pitching staff more comfortable and they probably pitch a little better just having a comfort zone. Obviously there is no way to prove that, but I’d say odds are at least young guys, and guys who are mentally soft probably are a little better when they have a comfort zone with their catcher

 

[CSF77]

But you don’t have to lose his bat. He could look likely be an above average outfielder. I think a strong defensive catcher is highly undervalued. It likely makes the pitching staff more comfortable and they probably pitch a little better just having a comfort zone. Obviously there is no way to prove that, but I’d say odds are at least young guys, and guys who are mentally soft probably are a little better when they have a comfort zone with their catcher

You still lose a bat.

 

[CSF77]

If he opts out

Yasmani Grandal (31) — $16MM mutual option with a $2.25MM buyout

Only catcher upgrade

 

[anotheridiot]

I dont think Loretta is a dark horse, I mean, Theo picked him to be the bench coach, right?

 

[anotheridiot]

This is why a guy like Girardi is at the top of the list, IMHO, and not someone who has never been a manager. This team needed a fresh voice and observing this year, they need more focus. Girardi didn’t even allow sweets or soda in the locker room. I’m fairly confident alcohol was not allowed in the Yankees club house either. Very health conscious person.

The attractive point to a never been a manager is clay in Theo's hands.

Best worst part about an experienced manager is their bad habits.

There was an article about Ross not thinking the cubs should fire Maddon, I thought he would be more in tune with what a free agent is.

 

[Realistic fan]

I wouldn't trust a site that values a All star to 1/4 the value of a peer of his.

That is saying 1WAR (Bryant)
4 WAR Lindor

Bryant has 2 years of control.
Lindor 2 years of control

They both were at 10-12M last year.

This year:
Bryant 4.9 fWAR
Lindor : 4.3 fWAR

Compiled fWAR to date

Bryant 27.9
Lindor 27.1

So your site posting that Lindor is 4x the value on a trade is hogwash.

This is based off of fact and who came up with it must have no respect of certain players.

But at least you did say that you did disagree on some.

But Fangraphs is a far more respected site. I would invest time supporting them.

Using Fangraphs 2019 preseason rankings had Urias 24th and Patino #42nd, Amaya 73rd and Hoerner 105th. Their midseason rankings had Patino 27 and Urias was not ranked as he graduated to MLB. Hoerner was 50 and Amaya was 58th.

You wanted Patino, Urias, and France for Bryant yet for Lindor you offered only Amaya at 58th and others. What I am trying to get you to do is take off your Cub glasses and look at your trades from both teams' perspectives. If Cleveland makes Lindor available this off season, don't you think that many teams could beat your offer?

 

[Fred Garvin]

That’s a pretty darn right hand heavy line up, but your okay with that?

Yeah...for the most part. They are just hitters...and hitters will hit... But we may need some lefty help on occasion.

 

[Fred Garvin]

Alot of interesting well thought out ideas. As much as I would love to keep a guy like Bryant in the lineup....280 31 homers..and I won't even blame him for the low RBi's...but near 30 in the league OPS...but 9th in the league in OBP...of course you want that guy in your lineup....and I won't belabor his lack of clutch hitting...but right now is the best time to move him for prospects....and put Rendon at 3rd while the farm system gets better. You improve your clutch hitting...which the Cubs sorely need. Bryant...with that greedy SOB Boras as his agent is gonna demand BIG TIME $$$ when it comes time. Gotta strike while iron is hot.

 

[CSF77]

Using Fangraphs 2019 preseason rankings had Urias 24th and Patino #42nd, Amaya 73rd and Hoerner 105th. Their midseason rankings had Patino 27 and Urias was not ranked as he graduated to MLB. Hoerner was 50 and Amaya was 58th.

You wanted Patino, Urias, and France for Bryant yet for Lindor you offered only Amaya at 58th and others. What I am trying to get you to do is take off your Cub glasses and look at your trades from both teams' perspectives. If Cleveland makes Lindor available this off season, don't you think that many teams could beat your offer?

Teams do trades for different reasons than just value.

And it was not France. I said France would take over 2B for SD because they have '2' top 100 MI prospects. CJ Abrams and Xavier Edwards.

They can afford to lose Urias. They have a all star quality SS already that they heisted from the CWS and a GG 3B that could also play GG SS.

and they have France.

So if you go by true value. Bryant was worth 4.7 WAR. So you could guesstimate the Pads are buying 10 WAR of value by trading for him.

They would have to give up real quality for that.

Why woukd they?

To win. Bryant and Manny would make that line up feared.

 

[CSF77]

End of the day they are competing against the top NL team. They have to make a huge move to mean something

Bryant would make head lines. And it would Lure Cole. Shoot Hamels would be a low ball signing for them but likely due to hometown connection.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I'll say whatI've been saying all season... trade them all except Baez. Start over and invest only in the future. #2022contenders

 

[Steve_A]

I'll say whatI've been saying all season... trade them all except Baez. Start over and invest only in the future. #2022contenders

What is to say that we’ll be contenders in 2022 trading away the core? We should go all in with two / three years of this core still intact.

 

[Steve_A]

Who do you all want at the helm now that Joe is officially out?

 

[Realistic fan]

Teams do trades for different reasons than just value.

And it was not France. I said France would take over 2B for SD because they have '2' top 100 MI prospects. CJ Abrams and Xavier Edwards.

They can afford to lose Urias. They have a all star quality SS already that they heisted from the CWS and a GG 3B that could also play GG SS.

and they have France.

So if you go by true value. Bryant was worth 4.7 WAR. So you could guesstimate the Pads are buying 10 WAR of value by trading for him.

They would have to give up real quality for that.

Why woukd they?

To win. Bryant and Manny would make that line up feared.

No matter how you state it, the Padres are not going to trade the Cubs both Urias and Patino for Bryant. Despite the fact that they have other prospects at each position, not all prospects work out so they will want to control as many as they can to meet other needs. San Diego is also going to be shopping for a top of the rotation starter so they may need one or both to get that pitcher.

I agree with you that Bryant has value and that the Padres could be a landing spot for him. But remember, other teams many not be interested in trading for Bryant for the same reason that the Cubs might deal him.

 

[Omeletpants]

No matter how you state it, the Padres are not going to trade the Cubs both Urias and Patino for Bryant. Despite the fact that they have other prospects at each position, not all prospects work out so they will want to control as many as they can to meet other needs. San Diego is also going to be shopping for a top of the rotation starter so they may need one or both to get that pitcher.

I agree with you that Bryant has value and that the Padres could be a landing spot for him. But remember, other teams many not be interested in trading for Bryant for the same reason that the Cubs might deal him.

Padres are overloaded with OF, 3b and 1B

 

[CSF77]

Padres are overloaded with OF, 3b and 1B

Renfro 1.8 WAR
Margot 1.6
Meyers .6

That is not overloaded. That makes Schwarber look like a all star.

Bryant leads their team in WAR this year by over a full point.

Jr led their team with a 3.7.

So do fill me in with BS.

Urias ran a .2

He is not a prospect anymore. So he is Happ ATM. well ranked but not settled.

While Bryant is a 5 WAR player.

 

[Castor76]

Girardi.

 

[CSF77]

PICK	TEAM	RECORD	WIN%	GB	STREAK	L10
1	Detroit	47-114	.292	--	Lost 1	2-8
2	Baltimore	54-108	.333	6.5	Lost 1	5-5
3	Miami	57-105	.352	9.5	Won 1	4-6
4	Kansas City	59-103	.364	11.5	Won 1	3-7
5	Toronto	67-95	.414	19.5	Won 2	6-4
6	Seattle	68-94	.420	20.5	Won 1	4-6
7	Pittsburgh	69-93	.426	21.5	Lost 2	4-6
8	San Diego	70-92	.432	22.5	Lost 6	1-9
9	Colorado	71-91	.438	23.5	Won 3	5-5
10	LA Angels	72-90	.444	24.5	Lost 3	3-7
11	CHI White Sox	72-89	.447	25.0	Won 1	7-3
12	Cincinnati	75-87	.463	27.5	Won 2	4-6
13	San Francisco	77-85	.475	29.5	Lost 3	3-7
14	Texas	78-84	.481	30.5	Won 2	4-6
15	Philadelphia	81-81	.500	33.5	Lost 1	3-7
16	CHI Cubs	84-78	.519	36.5	Lost 1	2-8
17	Boston	84-78	.519	36.5	Won 1	4-6
18	Arizona	85-77	.525	37.5	Won 5	8-2
19	NY Mets	86-76	.531	38.5	Won 3	7-3
20	Milwaukee	89-73	.549	41.5	Lost 3	7-3
21	St. Louis	91-71	.562	43.5	Won 1	6-4
22	Washington	93-69	.574	45.5	Won 8	9-1
23	Cleveland	93-69	.574	45.5	Lost 5	4-6
24	Tampa Bay	96-66	.593	48.5	Lost 2	7-3
25	Atlanta	97-65	.599	49.5	Lost 3	4-6
26	Oakland	97-65	.599	49.5	Lost 1	6-4
27	Minnesota	101-61	.623	53.5	Lost 1	8-2
28	NY Yankees	103-59	.636	55.5	Lost 2	4-6
29	LA Dodgers	106-56	.654	58.5	Won 7	8-2
30	Houston	107-55	.660	59.5	Won 3	8-2

 

[beckdawg]

Speaking of the draft... cubs look to have picked a good year to tank a bit. 2020 draft class looks to be pretty deep at this point and much better than the 2019 class. Last year the draft slots for just the 10 picks and not including any additional ones for the 16th pick dbacks came in at $7,414,700 in draft pool money. The cubs had $5,826,900 for their entire pool. So, aside from picking sooner they have substantially more money to play with.