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Chicagosports89 said:
Contreras is a bad catcher. His inability to block pitches was likely a big issue for pitchers this year, that deterred them from burying curveballs in the dirt with men on base. He should either be moved to the corner outfield or traded. I’d bring in Cervelli or Wieters. They are both good year to year guys to help the pitchers and help groom Amaya when it’s his time
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Fact check?
 
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What is your take on Contrares? The way it looks to me, the only pitcher that wants to throw to him is Lester, due to his inability to field the position of pitcher or hold runners on first base. The rest of them seem to prefer anyone else. That does not bode well for an all star catcher. Its either the pitchers need to man up or contrares needs to calm down, or maybe he is the one that needs to go while we wait for Amaya, which means sign a guy like Wieters for double this years 1.5 salary to pair with Caratini for now..
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He has no clue if he buys into Bryant worth a 18 vertual point value system.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Joe moving on is a forgone conclusion.

Joe's method worked in 2016 due to the talent being deep enough. Baez was a swing player and Zo and Bryant were able to move as needed.

Then they lost a lead off and Theo didn't replace him.

It started to unravel when Schwarber failed as the first lead off.

Next year Happ failed.

This year again no fucking lead off and Heyward failed.

So do you blame the carpenter for hitting a nail with a sponge. Or do you blame the employer for not providing tools?

Both were to blame.
 
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CSF77 said:
He has no clue if he buys into Bryant worth a 18 vertual point value system.
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Maybe you could let him answer the question instead of thinking replies quoting someone elses posts all are begging for your imput.
 
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Fact check?
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What do you need a fact check for? Have you seen Contreras attempts to block balls in the dirt? Countless times this year I saw him backhanded stab at it instead of dropping down and knocking the ball down. It’s poor fundamentals and I’m sure he’s been corrected on it repeatedly. I can’t imagine it instills faith in the pitchers. Also their starting pitching has been worse since he became the starter and Ross and Montero left. So I assume he calls a bad game as well.
 
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Maybe you could let him answer the question instead of thinking replies quoting someone elses posts all are begging for your imput.
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When you come in here and use a 'site evaluater' that justifies a snub of a all star talent it puts your judgment value in question.

Like I said. If it was a 50 I would get it. Lindor is a step higher. But not 4× the value of a player.

That is wiping your ass with Bryant.
 
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What do you need a fact check for? Have you seen Contreras attempts to block balls in the dirt? Countless times this year I saw him backhanded stab at it instead of dropping down and knocking the ball down. It’s poor fundamentals and I’m sure he’s been corrected on it repeatedly. I can’t imagine it instills faith in the pitchers. Also their starting pitching has been worse since he became the starter and Ross and Montero left. So I assume he calls a bad game as well.
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So you have nothing then?

Try https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1899561
 
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And to be clear.

He was ranked 12 in block attempts and he has missed significant time this year. So stating that a pitcher can not trust him is hogwash.
 

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Coleman Hamels just went Trump on Twitter shitting all over the cubs.

Jesse Rogers reported.
 

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Stats are an amazing thing. They can tell you a lot of things or be used to hide them. Take these as you will.

This season the Cubs have had a just below league average of passed balls and just above league average in wild pitches. One each way. They are well below league average in CS% at 22%, but Contreras is above league average at 30% CS. I can't find a current stat on CERA, so if you can I'll appreciate it. According to ESPN's numbers, Contreras ranks 12th in all of baseball in DWAR. He also ranks 6th among catchers this season in overall WAR, at ESPN.

Checked over at Baseball Reference and he's 54th in DWAR and 73rd in OWAR in the league
 
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Castor76 said:
Stats are an amazing thing. They can tell you a lot of things or be used to hide them. Take these as you will.

This season the Cubs have had a just below league average of passed balls and just above league average in wild pitches. One each way. They are well below league average in CS% at 22%, but Contreras is above league average at 30% CS. I can't find a current stat on CERA, so if you can I'll appreciate it. According to ESPN's numbers, Contreras ranks 12th in all of baseball in DWAR. He also ranks 6th among catchers this season in overall WAR, at ESPN.

Checked over at Baseball Reference and he's 54th in DWAR and 73rd in OWAR in the league
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I tend to look at stats first before playing the eye test game.


Framing he sucks. But I would have to see a year by year to see if there is improvment.

If so mastering a hard craft.

Not hopeless cause
 
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When you come in here and use a 'site evaluater' that justifies a snub of a all star talent it puts your judgment value in question.

Like I said. If it was a 50 I would get it. Lindor is a step higher. But not 4× the value of a player.

That is wiping your ass with Bryant.
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Just looking for an opinion, now that there are more than the usual 4 people that post and argue here, but for some reason, you need to answer what is not directed towards you like your opinion is greater than anyone elses and direct the answer away from a question about Contrares.
 
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Just looking for an opinion, now that there are more than the usual 4 people that post and argue here, but for some reason, you need to answer what is not directed towards you like your opinion is greater than anyone elses and direct the answer away from a question about Contrares.
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Dude.

He posted directed at me. So get over your self ok.

You tossed out what he thought after his snub on Bryant.

So I took it as you really didn't get what he was saying with his post. And he went pretty far back most stalker quality.

Bryant valued as a 18.
Lindor 80.

I'm kinda surprised that you didn't catch onto that face slap myself then you went and started to give value to his input.
 

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If the Braves let him go, Tyler Flowers wouldn't be a bad pick up. He's got a 6 M club option. He had a down year offensively. His Framing Runs was still 3rd in the league and his FRAA was 9th.
 

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The Braves are going to have a lot of payroll space, but they also have about 12 potential free agents.
 
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If the Braves let him go, Tyler Flowers wouldn't be a bad pick up. He's got a 6 M club option. He had a down year offensively. His Framing Runs was still 3rd in the league and his FRAA was 9th.
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He is a 3rd catcher on the Cubs.

I think that we are really devaluing what Contreras brings.

Caratini is also a good back up. I don't know about you but I do like having a back up that hits.

Last year Contreras burnt out due to Caratini's plate struggles. This year Caratini shouldered the load with Contreras's injury.

So I really don't want to see this changed. Any gain that you can see you will lose from the other side in this case. That is my honest opinion.

It is better to wait on Amaya and if he is the real deal then trade Contreras.
 
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