Now that the season is over

[Castor76]

Would you target MLB pitching or prospects in a Bryant trade, CSF?

 

[Castor76]

An interesting point for Boston is they currently already have over 150 M locked for the payroll. They will also have 3 pitchers in the last year of arbitration heading into that off season. Yankees won't have that trouble, but many of their young suds will be hitting year 2 of Arbitration and Judge is going to break the bank there.

 

[CSF77]

Would you target MLB pitching or prospects in a Bryant trade, CSF?

ML 2B and a top 100 SP prospect.

 

[CSF77]

I do like the SD connection. He lives in Vegas and went to College there. So this is not a reach at all and he profiles in a corner OF spot there.

Gore is the top LHSP prospect in baseball. I'm pretty sure that he is off limits. But they have the #7 RHSP prospect in Luis Patino also. He will be in AAA next year. So he would be setting up for the 2021 window.

I would want Urias coming back also. They have Ty France and a top 100 2B up welling so this is not a reach on a return.

Urias is a nice scrappy player. Minors he has had a .400 BA consistently so he has much more talent to uncover.

 

[Castor76]

I do like the SD connection. He lives in Vegas and went to College there. So this is not a reach at all and he profiles in a corner OF spot there.

Gore is the top LHSP prospect in baseball. I'm pretty sure that he is off limits. But they have the #7 RHSP prospect in Luis Patino also. He will be in AAA next year. So he would be setting up for the 2021 window.

I would want Urias coming back also. They have Ty France and a top 100 2B up welling so this is not a reach on a return.

Urias is a nice scrappy player. Minors he has had a .400 BA consistently so he has much more talent to uncover.

That would be a very interesting trade. I'm sure most fans would go insane, but it's got good fits. It would hinge on SD being ready to up it's payroll quite a bit. He would be instantly one of their best hitters.

 

[Fred Garvin]

Trade Bryant...or pay him now. He's gonna be a full fledged free agent and demand a boatload of money in free agency when it comes anyway. Strike while the iron is hot. Get Rendon...and also fix this gawd awful dumpster fire of a bullpen. I would eat Kimbrels money or stash him in middle relief and use him when u need an arm to waste in a blowout. He's done. Boston knew it....we've all seen it. Just chalk it up to a disastrous signing and move on. I can totally see Theo bringing on some .210 hitter like Jurickson Profar or something. I guess we'll have to see how much the Ricketts really care about trying to squeeze something more out of the magic of 2016....or just tell Theo to work with what he's got and hope for the best. So may different options on the table...so that part will be interesting.

 

[Fred Garvin]

If we add Rendon and get what we can for Bryant..which should be a lot....you solve a couple problems. What was one of the HUGE problems (among the many) Cubs have had that has driven us nuts? Hitting with RISP. CLUTCH hitting. Bryant hit .260 with RISP...and he's hit less than his overall average with RISP basically his entire career. Lack of clutch hitting has killed us. Rendon? .363 with RISP and .362 with RISP and 2 outs. The definition of clutch situation. That's over 100 batting average points higher than Bryant in the clutch. If you somehow add Whit you have a potential lineup of

Whit 2b
Rizzo 1b
Rendon 3b
Baez ss
Contreras C
Castellanos RF
Heyward CF
Hoerner LF

I can see that lineup being pretty darn good....and we help rebuild the farm system with the prospects we get for Bryant. Win/Win situation. I know we need pitching too.... but i'm just talking lineup here.

 

[Steve_A]

If we add Rendon and get what we can for Bryant..which should be a lot....you solve a couple problems. What was one of the HUGE problems (among the many) Cubs have had that has driven us nuts? Hitting with RISP. CLUTCH hitting. Bryant hit .260 with RISP...and he's hit less than his overall average with RISP basically his entire career. Lack of clutch hitting has killed us. Rendon? .363 with RISP and .362 with RISP and 2 outs. The definition of clutch situation. That's over 100 batting average points higher than Bryant in the clutch. If you somehow add Whit you have a potential lineup of

Whit 2b
Rizzo 1b
Rendon 3b
Baez ss
Contreras C
Castellanos RF
Heyward CF
Hoerner LF

I can see that lineup being pretty darn good....and we help rebuild the farm system with the prospects we get for Bryant. Win/Win situation. I know we need pitching too.... but i'm just talking lineup here.

That’s a pretty darn right hand heavy line up, but your okay with that?

 

[CSF77]

If we add Rendon and get what we can for Bryant..which should be a lot....you solve a couple problems. What was one of the HUGE problems (among the many) Cubs have had that has driven us nuts? Hitting with RISP. CLUTCH hitting. Bryant hit .260 with RISP...and he's hit less than his overall average with RISP basically his entire career. Lack of clutch hitting has killed us. Rendon? .363 with RISP and .362 with RISP and 2 outs. The definition of clutch situation. That's over 100 batting average points higher than Bryant in the clutch. If you somehow add Whit you have a potential lineup of

Whit 2b
Rizzo 1b
Rendon 3b
Baez ss
Contreras C
Castellanos RF
Heyward CF
Hoerner LF

I can see that lineup being pretty darn good....and we help rebuild the farm system with the prospects we get for Bryant. Win/Win situation. I know we need pitching too.... but i'm just talking lineup here.

Pipe dream.

It would push over tax the 2nd time and hamstring the following year when the rotation leaves.

 

[CSF77]

Better off knocking payroll down to 170-180. Then lock up Baez and Schwarber with that 28M gap

 

[CSF77]

That would be a very interesting trade. I'm sure most fans would go insane, but it's got good fits. It would hinge on SD being ready to up it's payroll quite a bit. He would be instantly one of their best hitters.

You think of it as far as a line up

Urias SS/2B
Nico SS/2B
Rizzo 1B
Baez 3B
Schwarber LF
Contreras C
Heyward CF
Happ RF

That puts a top 100 SP in AAA and Marquez on the rise. Then Alozay in the pen maturing.

It really sets up 2021 when Lester, Q and Chatwood drop off. That is 23M falling off which would go towards a mega on Mookie.

 

[anotheridiot]

You think of it as far as a line up

Urias SS/2B
Nico SS/2B
Rizzo 1B
Baez 3B
Schwarber LF
Contreras C
Heyward CF
Happ RF

That puts a top 100 SP in AAA and Marquez on the rise. Then Alozay in the pen maturing.

It really sets up 2021 when Lester, Q and Chatwood drop off. That is 23M falling off which would go towards a mega on Mookie.

Can we just trade Baez? I am sick of watching you **** him off of shortstop.

 

[Realistic fan]

CFS 77 - You need to check out a site called Baseball Trade Values to check out you trade proposals. This site gives each player a number based on ability, salary, years of control, etc. Here are the values for the trades you have proposed in this thread.
#1 - Happ 15.2, Schwarber 10.6, and Russell 0.8 Total 26.6 for Merrifield 48.4. Trade values do not match
#2 - Russell 0.8, Amaya 23.6, Davis 10.4, and Alozay 6.5 Total 41.5 for Lindor 80.6. Trade values again do not match.
#3 - France 1.8, Urias 65.1, and Patino 45.6 Total 112.5 for Bryant 18 Trade Value again no where close.

Also you have to understand the needs of the other teams in a match for a trade. Cleveland would want major league ready players as part of the package as they did in the Bauer trade. They would not want a prospect trade. Kansas City would be the opposite of the Indians as they are in a rebuild and would want prospects rather than players with less control.

 

[Raskolnikov]

All you needed was Fowler and a bullpen to blow 15 games instead of 30.

Really gonna fire Maddon and not Epstein? A bullpen is absolutely the GM's fault not the manager. Who was he supposed to put out there? Epstein went after Morrow who everybody in my fantasy leagues seemed to know was injury prone as ****.

You don't go upwards from Madden, but perhaps a new voice is needed. Epsteins competitive edge is gone and that is where I would look for a new mind to work with Madden.

 

[CSF77]

Can we just trade Baez? I am sick of watching you **** him off of shortstop.

Baez is great anywhere he plays. He is a top 5 3B in the ML if there every day

 

[CSF77]

CFS 77 - You need to check out a site called Baseball Trade Values to check out you trade proposals. This site gives each player a number based on ability, salary, years of control, etc. Here are the values for the trades you have proposed in this thread.
#1 - Happ 15.2, Schwarber 10.6, and Russell 0.8 Total 26.6 for Merrifield 48.4. Trade values do not match
#2 - Russell 0.8, Amaya 23.6, Davis 10.4, and Alozay 6.5 Total 41.5 for Lindor 80.6. Trade values again do not match.
#3 - France 1.8, Urias 65.1, and Patino 45.6 Total 112.5 for Bryant 18 Trade Value again no where close.

Also you have to understand the needs of the other teams in a match for a trade. Cleveland would want major league ready players as part of the package as they did in the Bauer trade. They would not want a prospect trade. Kansas City would be the opposite of the Indians as they are in a rebuild and would want prospects rather than players with less control.

How do they figure Bryant is worth 18 and Lindor a 80. Both have had injury.

If they are saying Bryant is less than 50 than that site is BS

 

[anotheridiot]

Baez is great anywhere he plays. He is a top 5 3B in the ML if there every day

so his gold glove finish at short this year wont be top 3?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I’m confused why people think this team should/will be contending for a World Series next year. Did you watch the team this year? If they make the right moves we could push for a playoff spot, but there is nearly zero chance they are a true contender next year. It should be a bridge year to getting back where we need to be while still being competitive

 

[anotheridiot]

CFS 77 - You need to check out a site called Baseball Trade Values to check out you trade proposals. This site gives each player a number based on ability, salary, years of control, etc. Here are the values for the trades you have proposed in this thread.
#1 - Happ 15.2, Schwarber 10.6, and Russell 0.8 Total 26.6 for Merrifield 48.4. Trade values do not match
#2 - Russell 0.8, Amaya 23.6, Davis 10.4, and Alozay 6.5 Total 41.5 for Lindor 80.6. Trade values again do not match.
#3 - France 1.8, Urias 65.1, and Patino 45.6 Total 112.5 for Bryant 18 Trade Value again no where close.

Also you have to understand the needs of the other teams in a match for a trade. Cleveland would want major league ready players as part of the package as they did in the Bauer trade. They would not want a prospect trade. Kansas City would be the opposite of the Indians as they are in a rebuild and would want prospects rather than players with less control.

What is your take on Contrares? The way it looks to me, the only pitcher that wants to throw to him is Lester, due to his inability to field the position of pitcher or hold runners on first base. The rest of them seem to prefer anyone else. That does not bode well for an all star catcher. Its either the pitchers need to man up or contrares needs to calm down, or maybe he is the one that needs to go while we wait for Amaya, which means sign a guy like Wieters for double this years 1.5 salary to pair with Caratini for now..

 

[Discus fish salesman]

What is your take on Contrares? The way it looks to me, the only pitcher that wants to throw to him is Lester, due to his inability to field the position of pitcher or hold runners on first base. The rest of them seem to prefer anyone else. That does not bode well for an all star catcher. Its either the pitchers need to man up or contrares needs to calm down, or maybe he is the one that needs to go while we wait for Amaya, which means sign a guy like Wieters for double this years 1.5 salary to pair with Caratini for now..

Contreras is a bad catcher. His inability to block pitches was likely a big issue for pitchers this year, that deterred them from burying curveballs in the dirt with men on base. He should either be moved to the corner outfield or traded. I’d bring in Cervelli or Wieters. They are both good year to year guys to help the pitchers and help groom Amaya when it’s his time