Now that the season is over

[CSF77]

22 straight losses

Her comes the 16th pick of the draft

 

[Steve_A]

They had more pressing needs. Morrow had a injury history Strop was injured at the end of last year. They had Chatwood under contract already and Smyly returning. Descalso was pointless with Zo on the team.

I'm not saying that it was a bad idea to resign Hamels. But with payroll that strapped and the 8-9 was a trainwreck it was a more pressing need.

It feels like Theo didn't give much credence to a legit lead off or a Closer. And what happened during the year? He spent on a real closer and he just got don't saying the lead off was a real issue right now. No shit. I knew that a few years back.

Ok here is a 20/20 version.

2017 off-season. Resign Davis. Hard pass on Morrow and Chatwood. Pretty much a even deal. Strop still evolves into a decent set up.

Still sign Yu. He has proven his worth post injury.
Hamels as a signing was fine. The opt was questionable with Morrow assed out. With Davis under contract it would have made more sense.

Did we envision Zobrist to be gone?
Did we think Almora was going to be this bad?
Did we think Brach was going to be this bad?
Did we think that Xedeno and Barnette will not contribute at all this year?
Didn't we think Schwarber would take the next step forward?
Didn't we think of C.J. Edwards as a possible closer of the future?

I agree with your points but just saying that a lot of what we counted on didn't go our way as well.

 

[CSF77]

Did we envision Zobrist to be gone?
Did we think Almora was going to be this bad?
Did we think Brach was going to be this bad?
Did we think that Xedeno and Barnette will not contribute at all this year?
Didn't we think Schwarber would take the next step forward?
Didn't we think of C.J. Edwards as a possible closer of the future?

I agree with your points but just saying that a lot of what we counted on didn't go our way as well.

Almora (yes)
Zo (No)
Brach (Yes)
Xendo/Barnette (yes)
Schwarber (He did)
Edwards (Never all hype)

 

[CSF77]

Reasons: Almora has poor plate discipline.
Zo You would never have guessed.
Brach was a low tier pen arm. I don't bank on those.
Other 2 you don't ink injury cases to major league deals. Minor league with a major league option sure.
Schwarber lost value on D but his O improved.
Edwards is mentally weak. Cubs won that trade with SD.

 

[Fred Garvin]

Not gonna get into advanced stat analysis but Anthony Rendon would be a HUGE acquisition. That....and gutting this garbage ass bullpen.

 

[Fred Garvin]

Baez, Contreras, Bryant and Rizzo the "core 4" along with Castellanos, Schwarber Heyward and...some low batting average (ops, obp whatever) lame ass usually rounded out our lineup. You'd think that lineup would do better than 3rd place in the division. But....with as many blown games this death circus bullpen brought us....maybe we are over thinking this. Simply add Rendon....re-sign Castellanos and get some real bullpen arms and maybe this team could compete in 2020. Problem is we could end up NOT signing Rendon...and NOT signing Castellanos...and trying to put bandaids all over the team with lame asses like Jurickson Profar or something. But...the signing of Kimbrel looms over this team like an anvil from a looney tunes cartoon. May just have to eat that money and call it a bust and move on.

 

[Steve_A]

Reasons: Almora has poor plate discipline.
Zo You would never have guessed.
Brach was a low tier pen arm. I don't bank on those.
Other 2 you don't ink injury cases to major league deals. Minor league with a major league option sure.
Schwarber lost value on D but his O improved.
Edwards is mentally weak. Cubs won that trade with SD.

Mister know it all, so we weren't supposed to expect

Almora .285 avg .320 obp his career norm and okay defense
Brach at least something like a 3. something era
Edward at least something like a 3. something era that he's been doing for two years straight now

You can say anything after the fact is done dude.

 

[Castor76]

Not gonna get into advanced stat analysis but Anthony Rendon would be a HUGE acquisition. That....and gutting this garbage ass bullpen.

He'd be a huge get. He'd probably cost 30 M to get, which is about all the Cubs will have left after arbitration and options unless they want to get into luxury tax. Let's then say a package of Schwarber and Russell get Merrifield from KC. It would even save the Cubs about 5 M.

Line up
Merrifield 2B
Rizzo 1B
Rendon 3B
Baez SS
Bryant RF
Contreras C
Heyward CF
Hoerner LF

It's RH heavy, but it could win.

 

[zack54attack]

Think it's going to take more than Schwarber and Russell for Merrifield.

 

[Steve_A]

Think it's going to take more than Schwarber and Russell for Merrifield.

Can't agree more.

 

[Castor76]

Think it's going to take more than Schwarber and Russell for Merrifield.

Depending on exactly what, then fine. Just about any other option to get a lead off hitter would cost even more in prospects and money. If Washington let's Adam Eaton go, he could fill the lead off spot. He'd cost less than Rendon.

 

[anotheridiot]

Think it's going to take more than Schwarber and Russell for Merrifield.

The cubs could point towards Soler and selling 162 games of Schwarber with DH at bats should get to 50 home runs.

 

[CSF77]

Think it's going to take more than Schwarber and Russell for Merrifield.

Schwarber is a good start but he only has 2 years of control. Happ has 4. If you toss in Russell as a gimme then you are talking.

 

[CSF77]

He'd be a huge get. He'd probably cost 30 M to get, which is about all the Cubs will have left after arbitration and options unless they want to get into luxury tax. Let's then say a package of Schwarber and Russell get Merrifield from KC. It would even save the Cubs about 5 M.

Line up
Merrifield 2B
Rizzo 1B
Rendon 3B
Baez SS
Bryant RF
Contreras C
Heyward CF
Hoerner LF

It's RH heavy, but it could win.

They are not going after Rendon.

Why is it every fan boy always aims for the top guy.

 

[Steve_A]

They are not going after Rendon.

Why is it every fan boy always aims for the top guy.

Why does every fan boy think he knows for certain what the future holds.

 

[CSF77]

Why does every fan boy think he knows for certain what the future holds.

They have too many needs.

They are losing
Strop
Kintzler
Cishek
Hamels
Zobrist

Bryant arb increase
Baez Arb increase
Schwarber arb increase


Taking all of that resource needed and tossing it at 1 guy is stupid as ****.

Theo has never done this and don't expect it.

They will have to use some farm to solve the problem.

Mills, Underwood, Weick and Wick have all proven capable. But they need to invest into a late inning arm to set up Kimbrel. That will cost 6-10M

They need a lead off. Whit is ideal. But that takes from resources. Sure I believe KC would take Schwarber. There has been many articles written from both sides saying this would be good for both teams. But KC is not going to do a 1-1 trade. Even him and Russell is not getting it done. So that will cost talent. But will save on cost.

Then they have to replace Hamels. So what is your plan? Spend 30M on Rendon and toss Chatwood out there? **** ya bra get-er-done. WS here we come baby. Yippee Ki-yay MF

 

[Steve_A]

Is Whit the ideal solution?
He is 31 next year and has 19 steals to 10 csteals dude.
He is loosing speed and fast.

Also, I'm not saying that Rendon is the best solution.
I think we need one more top starter in the form of Cole.

Also, we failed this year but bullpen help could be found around the trade deadline.
(Maybe Kimbrel finds his form with a full spring training)

Lastly, you can't fill every need on the team.
What if they miss out on everyone and Rendon is the only thing out there?
You can't say for certain that somethings will 100% not happen.

 

[CSF77]

Mister know it all, so we weren't supposed to expect

Almora .285 avg .320 obp his career norm and okay defense
Brach at least something like a 3. something era
Edward at least something like a 3. something era that he's been doing for two years straight now

You can say anything after the fact is done dude.

BB/9= plate discipline ass wipe.

2018 he was at a 5.0 BB%. That is a free swinging fool. If he is not getting good BABIP he is worthless at the plate.

 

[CSF77]

Is Whit the ideal solution?
He is 31 next year and has 19 steals to 10 csteals dude.
He is loosing speed and fast.

Also, I'm not saying that Rendon is the best solution.
I think we need one more top starter in the form of Cole.

Also, we failed this year but bullpen help could be found around the deadline.
(Maybe Kimbrel finds his form with a full spring training)

Lastly, you can't fill every need on the team.
What if they miss out on everyone and Rendon is the only thing out there?
You can't say for certain that somethings will 100% not happen.

Lead off is a lost art. No one is drafting them anymore with the current age. That makes anyone with that skill set over valued due to rarity.

Rendon is great but that profile is the standard.

 

[Steve_A]

BB/9= plate discipline ass wipe.

2018 he was at a 5.0 BB%. That is a free swinging fool. If he is not getting good BABIP he is worthless at the plate.

J.D. Martinez was the poster boy of free swingers back in the days. Who is to say that people can’t change huh? Also never said he’s ideal dummy. Just said we didn’t expect him to .240 some average bad.