Nuggets & Bulls talk Carmelo for Deng, Gibson

[BigP50]

well the Nuggets dont want him and he doesn't want the Nuggets.............

 

[JCM]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u11oUL50-f4]YouTube - Carmelo Anthony to Chicago Bulls- Promo[/ame]

 

[BigP50]

nice vid.

 

[TheStig]

That's why a player like Noah is so valuable. Interior D is vastly more important than perimeter D. A great interior D will make the worst perimeter D look good. PG & C are 2 of the most important positions on a bball team & we have that shored up right now. That's not to say I wouldn't trade Noah for Melo, cuz I more than likely would, IF he signs an extension. However, big men like Noah are not easily replaceable & go a long way to helping a team win a championship.

And dude Boozer is not this true post player you think he is. He has low post moves but he gets much of his scoring on slashing off pick & rolls as well as pulling up for the 12-15 footer. Not to mention the dude is like 6-7. That's fine for a center if he's built like Ben Wallace with the defensive skills to boot.

I agree that front court D is very important but there are different ways of getting a defensive center. Melo has a much more unique skill set. You can get a center that is good defensively much easier. Thats why I make the deal.

 

[TheStig]

I could be wrong but dont Harris and Billups the same position?

Favors has potential but Taj has been there and done that, also at a high level.

Favors has sooo much more talent than Taj its not even funny. And billups is 34 and has a team option next year. He is getting moved to a contender when Melo is dealt. Harris, Favors and Picks are a really solid offer. If Melo will sign an extension, I can't see much else topping it.

 

[Scoot26]

The rules have changed and there are so few true centers left that it isn't necessary anymore. Boozer will also give us a true post center. If this deal went through, I'd make a strong play at Dampier when he gets waived.

That's why a player like Noah is so valuable. Interior D is vastly more important than perimeter D. A great interior D will make the worst perimeter D look good. PG & C are 2 of the most important positions on a bball team & we have that shored up right now. That's not to say I wouldn't trade Noah for Melo, cuz I more than likely would, IF he signs an extension. However, big men like Noah are not easily replaceable & go a long way to helping a team win a championship.

And dude Boozer is not this true post player you think he is. He has low post moves but he gets much of his scoring on slashing off pick & rolls as well as pulling up for the 12-15 footer. Not to mention the dude is like 6-7. That's fine for a center if he's built like Ben Wallace with the defensive skills to boot.

Diddy pretty much answered this for me on the basis of what Noah does for the Bulls and that Boozer is not a true post player (he's also not a center)...

but lets look at the champs of this past decade:
Lakers (Centers: Gasol and Bynum)
Celtics (Center: Perkins, Garnett (6'11) at PF)
Spurs (Center: Duncan)
Heat (Center: Shaq)
Pistons (Center: Ben Wallace)
Lakers (Center: Shaq)

And all together there's been 64 NBA Champions...9 titles have been won without an All-Star center (I consider Duncan and Gasol centers..I know they start at PF)....6 of those titles had Michael Jordan. 3 titles out of 64 have been won without an All-Star center and Michael Jordan.

The game has not really changed. A center is still necessary 96% of the time unless the 1991-1998 Michael Jordan is walking through that door. It may change if Wade and co start winning titles as they do not have an All-Star center (Though Bosh is 6'10, but he really doesnt play like a center like Duncan and Gasol do).

 

[NealKleren]

YouTube - Carmelo Anthony to Chicago Bulls- Promo

Dude.......this has me too hyped now lol

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Is there an actual link to a story about this, or just twitter?

 

[waldo7239117]

Is there an actual link to a story about this, or just twitter?

I think just twitter.

 

[waldo7239117]

Jon Rothstein (JonRothstein) on Twitter

#Nets look like favorites now but are fighting including lopez...Harris, Favors, and picks are package
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Reply Retweet #Nuggets discussions w Chicago involves a package of Luol Deng and Taj Gibson
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Reply Retweet #Warriors, #Bulls, and #Clippers are also in mix for for Melo...LAC are long shot according to #NBA league source
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Reply Retweet check #Nets first round picks...its 9 over next several years....I'm told multiple picks would be involved in #Nuggets deal
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Reply Retweet Hearing from an #NBA league source that the #Nets are not including Brook Lopez in any trade discussions w #Nuggets 4 Carmelo Anthony

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

YouTube - Carmelo Anthony to Chicago Bulls- Promo

I love this. Since I saved it to my YouTube favs I've prolly watched it atleast 10x's. Lol

 

[JCM]

Is there an actual link to a story about this, or just twitter?

I think just twitter.

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Nets Unwilling To Offer Lopez For Melo

 

[DewsSox79]

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Nets Unwilling To Offer Lopez For Melo

im not a bulls expert, i follow them and watch their games but im not 100% vested in basketball, so with that said in your opinion what are the chances the bulls get mello?

 

[BullsFanDRose]

I'd be surprised if the Bulls pulled this off. But, I'm glad they're making an effort though. I would not mind getting rid of Deng, but I would be hesitant on giving up Taj. He had a great rookie season. As far as Carmelo, if the Bulls are going to sign him, it better be an extension deal because he's a FA next summer.

 

[TheStig]

Diddy pretty much answered this for me on the basis of what Noah does for the Bulls and that Boozer is not a true post player (he's also not a center)...

but lets look at the champs of this past decade:
Lakers (Centers: Gasol and Bynum)
Celtics (Center: Perkins, Garnett (6'11) at PF)
Spurs (Center: Duncan)
Heat (Center: Shaq)
Pistons (Center: Ben Wallace)
Lakers (Center: Shaq)

And all together there's been 64 NBA Champions...9 titles have been won without an All-Star center (I consider Duncan and Gasol centers..I know they start at PF)....6 of those titles had Michael Jordan. 3 titles out of 64 have been won without an All-Star center and Michael Jordan.

The game has not really changed. A center is still necessary 96% of the time unless the 1991-1998 Michael Jordan is walking through that door. It may change if Wade and co start winning titles as they do not have an All-Star center (Though Bosh is 6'10, but he really doesnt play like a center like Duncan and Gasol do).

But Noah isn't as good as anyone of those guys. He isn't an allstar and likely won't be one. So regardless of your point, Noah doesn't fit it anyway.

 

[Scoot26]

But Noah isn't as good as anyone of those guys. He isn't an allstar and likely won't be one. So regardless of your point, Noah doesn't fit it anyway.

I didnt say Noah had to be an Shaq. Noah still has a chance to become one. If Brook Lopez develops he likely is the East's backup center for years on end, but if Lopez is slowed, injured, quits producing or whatever, the spot is Noah's to take.

 

[Dpauley23]

im not a bulls expert, i follow them and watch their games but im not 100% vested in basketball, so with that said in your opinion what are the chances the bulls get mello?

About 5 percent. The Bulls would have to wait until Jan. 15 to get him because the Nuggets would not have any interest in Deng. So the Bulls offer is probably Watson, Brewer, JJ, Taj and 3 1st rounders. If the Nuggets get Harris and Favor from NJ no one can beat that offer

 

[Diddy1122]

But Noah isn't as good as anyone of those guys. He isn't an allstar and likely won't be one. So regardless of your point, Noah doesn't fit it anyway.

I said last year at the beginning of the season that Noah had a chance to be an All-Star LAST YEAR. And he almost did. Noah will be an all-star at some point I have no doubts about that whatsoever, & it very well may happen this coming season. He's a top 5 rebounder & arguably top 5 in low post D right now. He's the best offensive rebounder in the league. And he's only getting better.

If you need an example of how important he is to this team just look at when he was out last season. Our interior D was swiss cheese, we were being dominated by players like Roy Hibbert, outrebounded almost every contest, & lost 10 in a row. I'd still trade him to get Melo but don't think for a second that just plugging in Erik Dampier would make up for what we lose in giving up Noah.

And I would argue Noah is better than both Perkins & Bynum, no question.

 

[TheStig]

I said last year at the beginning of the season that Noah had a chance to be an All-Star LAST YEAR. And he almost did. Noah will be an all-star at some point I have no doubts about that whatsoever, & it very well may happen this coming season. He's a top 5 rebounder & arguably top 5 in low post D right now. He's the best offensive rebounder in the league. And he's only getting better.

If you need an example of how important he is to this team just look at when he was out last season. Our interior D was swiss cheese, we were being dominated by players like Roy Hibbert, outrebounded almost every contest, & lost 10 in a row. I'd still trade him to get Melo but don't think for a second that just plugging in Erik Dampier would make up for what we lose in giving up Noah.

And I would argue Noah is better than both Perkins & Bynum, no question.

I am not arguing that Noah isn't important he is. But his skill set and level are more easily aquired than Melo's. You might not get the quality but you can get a good defensive center. You can't get top 10 player nearly as easily.

Your example is a bit flawed to because Deng missed quite a few of those games and it had us starting James Johnson too. Lastly I'd point out he hasn't put up a whole year. He was out of shape the year before last and injured last year. I hope he doesn't turn into the Deng of centers. Though I don't think he will.

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

im not a bulls expert, i follow them and watch their games but im not 100% vested in basketball, so with that said in your opinion what are the chances the bulls get mello?

The chances I believe are 50% until I here of anything positive/negative regarding the chances. Every team gunning for him has a 50% chance though too.

I'd like to think that GarPax will deal with them well enough to not move Noah in the process for a guy like Melo. If something involved Deng+Gibson/Johnson+picks occur that they say they've discussed between the 2 teams......that'd be a nice deal for the most part.