Of all the Beatles facts, this one still astounds me...

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When did I ever say that best song write = best musician? McCartney has written some of the most soulful songs ever. He also happens to be one of the greatest bass players and a fine lead guitarist and fine drummer

Take a song like "and I love her".* Beautiful and soulful. A song people will be playing 300 years from now

I just disagree. McCartney was a product.
 

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I just disagree. McCartney was a product.
A product implies he was someone's invention. He wasnt an invention. He is arguably the most important person in rock history
 

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A product implies he was someone's invention. He wasnt an invention. He is arguably the most important person in rock history

the beatles likely were. paul mccartney, not so much. if lennon hadn't died, you wouldn't be talking about paul mccartney today, because lennon would have negated the historical fart that was wings and you would be talking about lennon verticals.
 

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the beatles likely were. paul mccartney, not so much. if lennon hadn't died, you wouldn't be talking about paul mccartney today, because lennon would have negated the historical fart that was wings and you would be talking about lennon verticals.
He had serious motivation issues. Maureen Cleave from the London Standard Journal wrote: "He can sleep almost indefinitely, is probably the laziest person in England. That was before his heroin problems. In the 70s he became a house husband/recluse. He would have surely given up any consistent song writing as he was pretty much disconnected and bored by the time he was killed. Also, given their on again/off again relationship with Yoko he would have surely gone into one of his famous depressions over their frequent break ups
 

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He had serious motivation issues. Maureen Cleave from the London Standard Journal wrote: "He can sleep almost indefinitely, is probably the laziest person in England. That was before his heroin problems. In the 70s he became a house husband/recluse. He would have surely given up any consistent song writing as he was pretty much disconnected and bored by the time he was killed. Also, given their on again/off again relationship with Yoko he would have surely gone into one of his famous depressions over their frequent break ups
I think both Lennon and McCartney were genius. George too. I just also think they were co-opted. Give me Rolling Stones any day. They benefitted from the commodifiaction of the Beatles. Product.
 

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no, cause you attempt to criticize art without appreciating context. Its like popping in citizen cane right now and being like, what the **** is the big deal? Not even color. This sucks.

I like Citizen Kane. I also like The Beatles, but I think they're overrated. Except for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "A Day In The Life." Those songs are fucking awesome.
 

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My mom loves the Beatles. Bought her some vinyls recently of them.
 

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I think what you don't get is that the best songwriter isn't always the best musician.

To Ryan: As a guitarist growing up, everyone told me to study Alex Lifesson. I found David Byrne/jerry richardson, jimmy Page, Johnny Marr, Joey Santiago and even Keith Rivhards's playing to have more soul and fun to play over technical prowess.

I get what you're saying but you have to see them live to truly appreciate them. I don't know how you can listen to a song like Red Barchetta and not feel it. I'm not a huge Rush fan either but seeing those guys play keyboards/bass/guitar while singing all at the same time in parts was just amazing.

They are a REAL three piece band and always have been.
 

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I think what you don't get is that the best songwriter isn't always the best musician.

To Ryan: As a guitarist growing up, everyone told me to study Alex Lifesson. I found David Byrne/jerry richardson, jimmy Page, Johnny Marr, Joey Santiago and even Keith Rivhards's playing to have more soul and fun to play over technical prowess.

I wouldn't go as far as calling him one the GOATs, but Lifeson is a pretty damn good player. Like Ryan mentioned, you have to see him live where his rhythm isn't being drowned out by overproduced albums that put Geddy's bass and (*sigh*) layered vocals to the front.
 

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I never said Lifeson (and Geddy and Peart) aren't supremely talented musicians. Their music just makes my soul (and tubesteak) shrivel. I had to learn a couple Rush songs in my first cover band, so I appreciate his expertise, but on all other levels, he's just a Canadian.
 

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No need to defend. I was a diehard fan up to the mid 90's (Test for Echo) and even I will admit that some of their work is cringe-worthy.

Especially the early, screechy Geddy days.
 
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I like Citizen Kane. I also like The Beatles, but I think they're overrated. Except for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "A Day In The Life." Those songs are fucking awesome.

I bet Ommy thinks that the Beatles actually played all those orchestral parts and came up with the ideas for em too. He also probably thinks they trained their voices to sound like they did on that record as well...No need for an engineer's effects or a record producer when you have the most important person in rock history
 

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