Of the 9 named HC candidates is there anyone you'd hate?

[ThatGuyRyan]

1. Pederson
2. Daboll
3. Flores
4 Frazier
5. Please don't make it this far - I think the bears are definitely going with experience, I would be shocked if they pick a first time hc again

 

[onebud34]

I just looked up the Kyle Orton thing. What a nitpick. His QB rating is .3 better than his second year in DEN. While yes, its his best, its completely negligible. It was Kyle Orton playing like Kyle Orton, league average at the very best, as he has done a couple times before.

But don't forget, he turned Bortles into a 10-15 year start....

 

[TL1961]

I want a leader as a HC, not a playcaller. Frazier is that. As long as he can bring in the right coordinators, he should be on the short list..,

He must not have had the right coordinators last time he was a HC.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

None of the coaches feel like a slam dunk to me. I'd have concerns with all of them.

But at the same time, none of them would be someone I'd automatically hate either, although I'd be less than thrilled with Frazier and Pederson.



I'd have to hear the plan first, for how they want to mold the team. I'd have to wait and see how it looks in pre-season to see if they are trying to deliver.


Here's the thing - with Justin Fields, there is one style of offense the Bears are set up to run out the gate right now vs others out there, that fits Justin AND the players we have (still need more players though to make it work, but this SHOULD require the least investment, but its important you get it RIGHT).

With both Fields and the running back tandem we have, it makes the most sense to run a system with big maulers up front that can contribute to a power run game, combined with moving pockets and designed roll outs, with passes set up off play action. Having a bigger line up front will allow Fields to step UP in the pocket instead of back, cutting down on his strip-fumbles and sacks for loss.

Granted, there are many ways to do that, and many systems you can use to execute it. The KC/Philly offense is NOT one of those.

But I think even with average coaches, Fields in this system will absolutely tear it up.


Which is why the GM is far more important to me than the coach. The Bears have the tackles for such a system in Jenkins and Borom, but they lack ability guard to guard. The entire interior needs to be rebuilt.

On top of that, Fields needs dependable receivers. We got Mooney and then no one.

The GM is so much more crucial here to me.


If it does end up being Pederson or Frazier, I won't lose my shit, but I do think the amount of rope I give them to wait and see what they do would be miniscule.....

 

[DaaBears]

Simple solution. I think we easily got 70% consensus on Rick Smith for GM, let's move forward with that and let him pick the head coach.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Great question.

I find it hard to believe if he had not played for the Bears he would be a candidate at this point, given his previous HC record and his age.

Is it the Bears doing good PR by showing interest in a former player? The team President insulted a former player in his press conference, so I won't give them credit for knowing good PR.

Hiring a man because he played for you is senseless. It makes no difference where the candidates played or grew up. That adds nothing.

1. He's 62. Pete Carroll is going strong at 70. Age isn't an issue.
2. I don't know why people get hung up on previous record. Bill B had a losing record before he went to New England.
3. He has a long ass career on the defensive side of the ball and is the DC for the #1 defense in the league.

Why wouldn't you consider him? My biggest concern as with all the defensive guys is..... who's the OC? What's the plan to score points?

 

[tgmxd]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481112261846573061

Haven't verified but interesting about Hackett.

Those would all be big pluses for him too if true - always tough though to separate credit with another offense guy like Doug Marrone as the HC.

Getting 35 touchdown passes out of Blake Bortles in a season though is fucking miracle work

 

[TL1961]

1. He's 62. Pete Carroll is going strong at 70. Age isn't an issue.
2. I don't know why people get hung up on previous record. Bill B had a losing record before he went to New England.
3. He has a long ass career on the defensive side of the ball and is the DC for the #1 defense in the league.

Why wouldn't you consider him? My biggest concern as with all the defensive guys is..... who's the OC? What's the plan to score points?

1. The fact there is an older coach ( or a few) doesn't mean age isn't an issue. It's not "OMG, he's old, he will die on the sideline". It's "Oh, Fuck, he's a relic from the 80's who doesn't recognize the forward pass as a viable play call."

2. Bill Belichick is probably not the only coach to succeed after having a losing recod in his first stint, but pointing to an exception and suggesting we should not consider Frazier'ss previous record is nuts. And for the record, BB took over a miserable Cleveland team and turned them into a playoff team. Frazier wasn't routinely 7-9, he was 11 games under in 3 full seasons. His offense and defense both ranked in the lower half of the league.

3. He's doing well in Buffalo as DC. And every year we go through this same cycle. Teams in the playoffs must automatically have the best coaches. Think how unlikely it is that all the results are due to assistants on the sidelines and not the talent on the field.

Your concern with defensive guys is mine as well - who is the OC and what's your plan? Right or wrong, I tend to think defensive HCs are likely to me more conservative on offense. There are exceptions, such as BB, but it's common.

Lastly, if I am unfair in suggesting the bears are only considering him because he played for them, why aren't other teams considering him?

 

[TL1961]

Those would all be big pluses for him too if true - always tough though to separate credit with another offense guy like Doug Marrone as the HC.

Getting 35 touchdown passes out of Blake Bortles in a season though is fucking miracle work

As is making Carson Wentz play at an MVP level and winning a Superbowl over Brady and Belichik with Nick Foles, but nobody wants Pederson.

 

[Toast88]

Truth be told, the Bears need someone who will completely change the losing, small time, mom-and-pop culture.

Someone with a bold vision to cut through the bullshit and deliver a godsend of a plan that this franchise has been waiting for for decades, be it a new coach *or* a new GM.

I’m just not sure that person is in the rotation this offseason, whoever they are.

And whoever they are, they sure as hell aren’t anyone on the OP’s list. I wouldn’t “hate”. Any of those guys. But I’m also not thinking with any of those guys, “Oh hell yes, the nightmare is over!”

It’s our fucking turn, dammit. But I just don’t see it this time around.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Lastly, if I am unfair in suggesting the bears are only considering him because he played for them, why aren't other teams considering him?

I am almost positive that he was recommended by Dungy / Polian it's probably a courtesy to them

 

[ijustposthere]

Fuck Josh McDaniels

+1

 

[tgmxd]

As is making Carson Wentz play at an MVP level and winning a Superbowl over Brady and Belichik with Nick Foles, but nobody wants Pederson.

I'm actually very high on Pederson. He's probably in my top 5 of these guys so far

Like Jacksonville though - some people close to the Eagles had been saying that Foles/Wentz run was all Frank Reich and that's why Wentz and the Eagles fell off when he left for Indy.

I think this year we saw though with Wentz and Reich back together and Wentz looking the worst he's ever looked that it was all Pederson

 

[onebud34]

1. The fact there is an older coach ( or a few) doesn't mean age isn't an issue. It's not "OMG, he's old, he will die on the sideline". It's "Oh, Fuck, he's a relic from the 80's who doesn't recognize the forward pass as a viable play call."

2. Bill Belichick is probably not the only coach to succeed after having a losing recod in his first stint, but pointing to an exception and suggesting we should not consider his previous record is nuts. And for the record, BB took over a miserable Cleveland team and turned into a playoff team. Frazier wasn't routinely 7-9, he was 11 games under in 3 full seasons. His offense and defense both ranked in the lower half of the league.

3. He's doing well in Buffalo as DC. And every ear we go through this same cycle. Teams in the playoffs must automatically have the best coaches. Think how unlikely it is that all the results are due to assistants on the sidelines and not the talent on the field.

Your concern with defensive guys is mine - who is the OC and what's your plan? Right or wrong, I tend to think defensive HCs are likely to me more conservative on offense. There are exceptions, such as BB, but it's common.

Lastly, if I am unfair in suggesting the bears are only considering him because he played for them, why aren't other teams considering him?

I believe Pete Carroll and BB are the only coaches in recent history to have a losing record in their first go-around as HC . They are the exceptions to the rule.

 

[Rise]

You get Rick smith who then chokes Flores into submission and go win some football games. You could also grab Dobbs and they can have protein shake drinking competitions to see who we pick and sign. Both would work for me.

If Frazier gets hired I quit. I’ll take anyone else.

 

[TL1961]

Truth be told, the Bears need someone who will completely change the losing, small time, mom-and-pop culture.

Someone with a bold vision to cut through the bullshit and deliver a godsend of a plan that this franchise has been waiting for for decades, be it a new coach *or* a new GM.

I’m just not sure that person is in the rotation this offseason, whoever they are.

And whoever they are, they sure as hell aren’t anyone on the OP’s list. I wouldn’t “hate”. Any of those guys. But I’m also not thinking with any of those guys, “Oh hell yes, the nightmare is over!”

It’s our fucking turn, dammit. But I just don’t see it this time around.

I have criticized aspects of his record and his whining, but I have to say, the guy to do this is Jim Harbaugh.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

1. The fact there is an older coach ( or a few) doesn't mean age isn't an issue. It's not "OMG, he's old, he will die on the sideline". It's "Oh, Fuck, he's a relic from the 80's who doesn't recognize the forward pass as a viable play call."

2. Bill Belichick is probably not the only coach to succeed after having a losing recod in his first stint, but pointing to an exception and suggesting we should not consider Frazier'ss previous record is nuts. And for the record, BB took over a miserable Cleveland team and turned them into a playoff team. Frazier wasn't routinely 7-9, he was 11 games under in 3 full seasons. His offense and defense both ranked in the lower half of the league.

3. He's doing well in Buffalo as DC. And every year we go through this same cycle. Teams in the playoffs must automatically have the best coaches. Think how unlikely it is that all the results are due to assistants on the sidelines and not the talent on the field.

Your concern with defensive guys is mine as well - who is the OC and what's your plan? Right or wrong, I tend to think defensive HCs are likely to me more conservative on offense. There are exceptions, such as BB, but it's common.

Lastly, if I am unfair in suggesting the bears are only considering him because he played for them, why aren't other teams considering him?

1. That's not fair. You think he's a relic from the 80's when he's out there in the playoffs with the league's #1 D?

2. Look at his QB's in Minny. Wasn't it Ponder and shit like that? Anyways, I don't know the full story there so maybe he was bad.

3. I mean yeah, you usually hire guys from winning teams. I don't know the talent on Buffalo to really comment though.

Your comment about other teams not considering him is the most damning of him to be honest. That's a very good question.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

People keep mentioning fraziers defense, but doesn't McDermott run the defense in Buffalo?

 

[TL1961]

1. That's not fair. You think he's a relic from the 80's when he's out there in the playoffs with the league's #1 D?

2. Look at his QB's in Minny. Wasn't it Ponder and shit like that? Anyways, I don't know the full story there so maybe he was bad.

3. I mean yeah, you usually hire guys from winning teams. I don't know the talent on Buffalo to really comment though.

Your comment about other teams not considering him is the most damning of him to be honest. That's a very good question.

Regarding #1, I am not criticizing his work with Buffalo's D. I am also not hiring him to be defensive coordinator. He needs to run the whole team, and will have influence over the OC. That's where the fear of him being a relic comes from.

 

[onebud34]

2. Look at his QB's in Minny. Wasn't it Ponder and shit like that? Anyways, I don't know the full story there so maybe he was bad.

He had Ponder, whom was horrible. But he had AP setting franchise rushing records(I guess the case could be made for interviewing Bevell again but he was with Chilly and it's more because of Russ W). His defense was his demise as a HC. The defense regressed significantly with top level talent.