OFF8CIAL: Found a sucker for Bickell

[ChiCityMadness87]

Fuck yeah, now the Bigfoots can cut down the forest together. Bigfoot gonna get Bigfoot to play like a beast again.

Still 50/50 on Teuvo. I like the kid, but he had alligator arms, and didn't really show a willingness to engage in board battles.

That is the absolute definition of Kane and Panarin and everybody would be uber upset if one of them got traded.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

That is the absolute definition of Kane and Panarin and everybody would be uber upset if one of them got traded.

One difference is point production, TT is not on the same level.

 

[HawkWriter]

That is the absolute definition of Kane and Panarin and everybody would be uber upset if one of them got traded.

Not even close. Kane and Panarin both go to the dirty areas of the ice and that is why they are rewarded. Sure, Kane/Panarin aren't the biggest guys out there and they aren't going to throw their bodies around all that often (though Panarin does have an edge that he likes to play with) but they win one on one battles.

Also...everyone would be "uber upset" if they were traded because they showed last year that they are two of the best scoring forwards in the league. So, yea maybe they get a bit of a "pass" but it isn't even close to being the same situation. Completely different than TT.

 

[DMelt36]

Panarin is 24. Kane is 27.

Teuvo is 21.

I'll go to my grave shouting that Teuvo was never given enough of a chance to thrive when on the Hawks. I realize they had to do this for cap space, and if the flexibility leads to better things, I'm all for it. But I have a hard time believing the Hawks are going to find a talent better than Teuvo via trade, free agency, or any other avenue. At least not anyone that's going to contribute in 2016-17.

Also this whole "Teuvo didn't go to the dirty areas" narrative is largely bullshit and the same thing that gets said about every undersized NHL player, ever. I can show you plenty of goals scored between the faceoff circles that he scored.

 

[DMelt36]

One difference is point production, TT is not on the same level.

Well neither is the rest of the goddam NHL, compared to Kane.

 

[Novak]

Just change the sig and call it a night

P.S. I'm still mad about the thread title

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Well neither is the rest of the goddam NHL, compared to Kane.

LOL, I didn't compare Kane and Panarin to TT, I just responded to the idiocy of him comparing them.

 

[DMelt36]

Just change the sig and call it a night

P.S. I'm still mad about the thread title

There are plenty of things to criticize about Teuvo. Just needs to be a lot better than the lazy "he's too small" narrative.

And you'll get over it.

LOL, I didn't compare Kane and Panarin to TT, I just responded to the idiocy of him comparing them.

Well who else on the team are you going to compare him to? He's an undersized player with high offensive potential. Panarin was similar at the age of 21 in the KHL, I assume. Kane was obviously ahead of Teuvo's pace. Kane was also skating with Toews a lot more often in those days, not someone like Andrew fucking Desjardins.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

There are plenty of things to criticize about Teuvo. Just needs to be a lot better than the lazy "he's too small" narrative.

And you'll get over it.



Well who else on the team are you going to compare him to? He's an undersized player with high offensive potential. Panarin was similar at the age of 21 in the KHL, I assume. Kane was obviously ahead of Teuvo's pace. Kane was also skating with Toews a lot more often in those days, not someone like Andrew fucking Desjardins.

I was very excited when he became a Hawk and more patient than most when it comes to giving a young player time to develop, (different sport but Kyle Fuller is going to be a very good corner) I think TT still has a kids body, and needs to hit the weight room, HARD ! His inmaturity made it hard to see if he will be the player some think he can be. When given the few chances last season playing with Toews he was just meh IMHO. It is too bad they had to deal him because of what he could end up being.

 

[HawkWriter]

There are plenty of things to criticize about Teuvo. Just needs to be a lot better than the lazy "he's too small" narrative.

And you'll get over it.



Well who else on the team are you going to compare him to? He's an undersized player with high offensive potential. Panarin was similar at the age of 21 in the KHL, I assume. Kane was obviously ahead of Teuvo's pace. Kane was also skating with Toews a lot more often in those days, not someone like Andrew fucking Desjardins.

Having to play where he did and with whom he did is his own fault though. He had opportunities in the top 6 throughout the year and never stepped up and ceased the opportunity. The Blackhawks were looking for a 1LW all year long and it was Shaw that ceased the opportunity and stuck there for the most part. TT needed to force Q's hand and make him put him in that top 6 and it didn't happen. TT disappeared way too often last year and that is his own fault. He rarely went to the tough areas of the ice to make plays happen and that is his own fault. He possesses some nice speed, solid stick defensively, and great hands...but the rest of it currently isn't there and hasn't been. Some flashes of the player that he could be but he never put it an all around game together for stretches of time. He didn't deserve to be a top 6 forward on this team (last year) with the way that he played.

 

[HawkWriter]

Panik signed for less. 875,000 was the number I saw

General Fanager has it confirmed at 875k and he will be a RFA again after this year. A good signing for the Blackhawks and he has a lot to prove this year.

 

[DMelt36]

It's almost like Teravainen was a young player still finding his way in the NHL. Who'd have thunk it?!

The main problem with this trade are the glaring holes that now exist in the Top 6 at wing and the high level of difficulty at fixing those holes. Teuvo very well could have been slotted in at 1RW (not 1LW, which is not the side he should be on). If Bowman pulls something off to fix that problem, I'll be thrilled. I remain incredibly skeptical at the moment.

 

[DMelt36]

And one more thing before I move on from this hill:

 

[The Hawk]

That is the absolute definition of Kane and Panarin and everybody would be uber upset if one of them got traded.

Bullshit. Both of those guy are chippy and both have a lot more talent than TT.

 

[The Hawk]

Well neither is the rest of the goddam NHL, compared to Kane.

They freed up a lot of salary space. That was the common sense move. TT still has a chance to be very good hockey player but he did not step up last season. THey got two high picks in that trade and freed up salary. I think that it was a pretty even trade.

 

[The Hawk]

It's almost like Teravainen was a young player still finding his way in the NHL. Who'd have thunk it?!

The main problem with this trade are the glaring holes that now exist in the Top 6 at wing and the high level of difficulty at fixing those holes. Teuvo very well could have been slotted in at 1RW (not 1LW, which is not the side he should be on). If Bowman pulls something off to fix that problem, I'll be thrilled. I remain incredibly skeptical at the moment.

I trust Bowman as always. They now have the money to re-sign Shaw which they absolutely needed to do and add a player or two.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I liked TT, I don't like it.

Just when it was Pokka time. Goddamnit.

If we don't get Ladd, I'll be mad.

 

[The Hawk]

I liked TT, I don't like it.

Just when it was Pokka time. Goddamnit.

If we don't get Ladd, I'll be mad.

Ladd will come back. He brings something to the team which should be better displayed with a full season ahead of him. I think that the key of next season is going to be the defense and the addition of a couple of real hitters. The team, I think wore out because of the pounding leveled against them in the regular season and play-offs They need a couple of ass kickers with talent.

 

[ClydeLee]

Which that data is more credence to what is seemingly obvious but some, including heavy strongly Jay Zawaski himself, proclaim Teuvo is a better center or a natural center. He was a Rightwinger when drafted, played best as a right winger and mainly is most comfortable there when on the ice.

And if the complaints some have of him being Too offensively passive and too soft, making him center makes that worse.

 

[Bigfoot]

There are plenty of things to criticize about Teuvo. Just needs to be a lot better than the lazy "he's too small" narrative.

And you'll get over it.



Well who else on the team are you going to compare him to? He's an undersized player with high offensive potential. Panarin was similar at the age of 21 in the KHL, I assume. Kane was obviously ahead of Teuvo's pace. Kane was also skating with Toews a lot more often in those days, not someone like Andrew fucking Desjardins.

Come on Melt, I know your upset Teuvo got traded, but he is soft bud. He may turn into that top 6 player he was hyped up to be, but the Hawks obviously soured on him, or he would still be here. If anything I think this means they are higher on Schmaltz ceiling than Teuvo. Plus with Teuvo coming off his ELC at the end of this coming season, we wouldn't be able to keep him and Panarin. I think we would all take Panarin over Teuvo any day.