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Ladd will come back. He brings something to the team which should be better displayed with a full season ahead of him. I think that the key of next season is going to be the defense and the addition of a couple of real hitters. The team, I think wore out because of the pounding leveled against them in the regular season and play-offs They need a couple of ass kickers with talent.

Truthfully I would be surprised if Ladd was re signed.
 

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Having to play where he did and with whom he did is his own fault though. He had opportunities in the top 6 throughout the year and never stepped up and ceased the opportunity. The Blackhawks were looking for a 1LW all year long and it was Shaw that ceased the opportunity and stuck there for the most part. TT needed to force Q's hand and make him put him in that top 6 and it didn't happen. TT disappeared way too often last year and that is his own fault. He rarely went to the tough areas of the ice to make plays happen and that is his own fault. He possesses some nice speed, solid stick defensively, and great hands...but the rest of it currently isn't there and hasn't been. Some flashes of the player that he could be but he never put it an all around game together for stretches of time. He didn't deserve to be a top 6 forward on this team (last year) with the way that he played.

How does one cease an opportunity?
 

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Come on Melt, I know your upset Teuvo got traded, but he is soft bud. He may turn into that top 6 player he was hyped up to be, but the Hawks obviously soured on him, or he would still be here. If anything I think this means they are higher on Schmaltz ceiling than Teuvo. Plus with Teuvo coming off his ELC at the end of this coming season, we wouldn't be able to keep him and Panarin. I think we would all take Panarin over Teuvo any day.
I'm a bit sure of these things, I need Rasks input. Is soft bud good or do you want your bud to be hard & tough?
 

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And one more thing before I move on from this hill:




How's your twin feel about the trade?
 

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I'm not even sure why "softness" is part of the equation here. The whole team is soft. No one in the league hits less. It's the style they play and it's been successful because they bring in players that fit that style. MOF, if you look around the hitfest that the playoffs used to be has dropped off...the two teams in the Finals were 12th and 23rd in hits.

Speed and skill is name of the game.
 

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I'm not even sure why "softness" is part of the equation here. The whole team is soft. No one in the league hits less. It's the style they play and it's been successful because they bring in players that fit that style. MOF, if you look around the hitfest that the playoffs used to be has dropped off...the two teams in the Finals were 12th and 23rd in hits.

Speed and skill is name of the game.

There is a difference between Teuvo soft and Kane soft..... both are fast finesse players who aint gonna hit much if ever.... but where Kane is very difficult to knock off the puck.... Teuvo coughs up the puck fairly easily.

I think TT will get better.... he will improve on that aspect of his game.... but it was killing us putting him on the top 6 and having him cough up the puck and waste offensive zone opportunities.... that is why he kept getting stuck down on the 3rd line.
 

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I liked TT, I don't like it.

Just when it was Pokka time. Goddamnit.

If we don't get Ladd, I'll be mad.

What in the world does this trade have to do with Pokka? Pokka doesn't need TT to transition...he has been playing in North America for two years now.

Also...Pokka time? Look, he very well could get an opportunity on the backend this year (and likely will at some point) but I pose this question to those that love prospects for no good reason. If Pokka is that ready and that good to jump into the NHL, then why did Ehrhoff, Gus, Svedberg, Scuderi, and RUNDBLAD all get chances/shots over him? Like I said, it could be that he finally gets his opportunity next year but everyone has to stop relying and loving on prospects like a Pokka.
 

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I'm not even sure why "softness" is part of the equation here. The whole team is soft. No one in the league hits less. It's the style they play and it's been successful because they bring in players that fit that style. MOF, if you look around the hitfest that the playoffs used to be has dropped off...the two teams in the Finals were 12th and 23rd in hits.

Speed and skill is name of the game.

Being soft and hitting are completely different things. Everyone knows that the Blackhawks aren't big hitters but no one is going to call Toews, Kane, Panarin, Hossa, Kruger, AA, etc etc etc soft just because they don't hit.

Not going into high traffic areas (in between the dots) makes someone soft. Getting knocked off the puck easily makes someone soft. Not going into a corner to win a one on one battle makes someone soft. Not willing to take a hit to make a play makes someone soft.

They are just completely different things and people are calling TT soft for reasons completely out of being able to deliver a hit.
 

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What in the world does this trade have to do with Pokka? Pokka doesn't need TT to transition...he has been playing in North America for two years now.

Also...Pokka time? Look, he very well could get an opportunity on the backend this year (and likely will at some point) but I pose this question to those that love prospects for no good reason. If Pokka is that ready and that good to jump into the NHL, then why did Ehrhoff, Gus, Svedberg, Scuderi, and RUNDBLAD all get chances/shots over him? Like I said, it could be that he finally gets his opportunity next year but everyone has to stop relying and loving on prospects like a Pokka.

You mean if Pokka is ready after a WC Findland experience time playing all the way to a silver medal on the team and after a whole summer of being able to work on speed more and after a whole summer of training, then playing in more Camp time with the team coaches and playing in the World Cup for Findland, then joining the Hawks team vs other players attempting to make the team...and he's younger than any of those guys by far.
 

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Being soft and hitting are completely different things. Everyone knows that the Blackhawks aren't big hitters but no one is going to call Toews, Kane, Panarin, Hossa, Kruger, AA, etc etc etc soft just because they don't hit.

Not going into high traffic areas (in between the dots)
makes someone soft. Getting knocked off the puck easily makes someone soft. Not going into a corner to win a one on one battle makes someone soft. Not willing to take a hit to make a play makes someone soft.

They are just completely different things and people are calling TT soft for reasons completely out of being able to deliver a hit.

His first career goal was scored standing between the dots.

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You mean if Pokka is ready after a WC Findland experience time playing all the way to a silver medal on the team and after a whole summer of being able to work on speed more and after a whole summer of training, then playing in more Camp time with the team coaches and playing in the World Cup for Findland, then joining the Hawks team vs other players attempting to make the team...and he's younger than any of those guys by far.

I can't remember which reporter it was that floated this, but there was a suggestion that Pokka is on a stricter long-term plan that meant he was going to spend all of last season in the AHL barring an emergency situation with the team's roster.
 

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His first career goal was scored standing between the dots.

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O wow. I guess Toews is a heavyweight fighter now because he had a couple of scraps last year.

Everyone is aware that TT didn't always play soft. However, he was very inconsistent in his play and the majority of the time he was soft out there.
 

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O wow. I guess Toews is a heavyweight fighter now because he had a couple of scraps last year.

Everyone is aware that TT didn't always play soft. However, he was very inconsistent in his play and the majority of the time he was soft out there.

Just keep throwing that word around and eventually it'll become fact, right? I can show you plenty more, including a goal he scored in the SCF standing right in the middle of four Tampa players in the heart of the slot.

And a 21-year-old player was inconsistent! Holy shit! That's never happened to a young player before!
 

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Just keep throwing that word around and eventually it'll become fact, right? I can show you plenty more, including a goal he scored in the SCF standing right in the middle of four Tampa players in the heart of the slot.

And a 21-year-old player was inconsistent! Holy shit! That's never happened to a young player before!

It isn't about throwing the word around. It is about giving reasons why he was soft (which I and several others have done) and continued to be soft when he was given opportunities to succeed.

I think everyone knows that TT still has potential. However, most people realize his flaws and that he wasn't working them out at the current time. Most realize that he didn't deserve to be in the top 6 this past year and didn't take advantage of the chances that he had when he was there. Most people also realize that this deal is very important to the Blackhawks future, even more so than TT was.
 

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General Fanager has it confirmed at 875k and he will be a RFA again after this year. A good signing for the Blackhawks and he has a lot to prove this year.

If I'm not mistaken Panik last year was making 925,000
 

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If I'm not mistaken Panik last year was making 925,000

GeneralFanager had him at 975k (not nitpicking, just letting you know)

At the end of the year Panik came out to the press and said how he wanted to re-sign with the Blackhawks (as most players talk about how they want to re-sign with their current team to the press). The interesting part was Panik spoke about how amazing it is to play for the Blackhawks, the culture that they have, the comforts that the Blackhawks enjoy on the road and at home compared to other teams, etc.
 

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Cap trades suck. How many prospects have we had to trade away in cap related moves? Not to mention players themselves. But I guess that's what you gotta do when you have two guys making like 10M a year.
 

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It isn't about throwing the word around. It is about giving reasons why he was soft (which I and several others have done) and continued to be soft when he was given opportunities to succeed.

I think everyone knows that TT still has potential. However, most people realize his flaws and that he wasn't working them out at the current time. Most realize that he didn't deserve to be in the top 6 this past year and didn't take advantage of the chances that he had when he was there. Most people also realize that this deal is very important to the Blackhawks future, even more so than TT was.

LOL @ "most people." Who's that, the three people who post in this forum? All the people who agree with you?

He didn't deserve to be in the Top 6 this past year even though he had the fourth highest scoring rate and only trailed the team's captain, the league's leading scorer, and the league's soon-to-be Calder Trophy winner.

He didn't take advantage of the chances even though he had the highest scoring rate among players who played 1LW alongside Toews and Hossa.

But in spite of all those statistical facts, he was still too soft. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
 

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