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[rawdawg]

Yeah no. You are suggesting Olave and Wilson are lying providing no evidence to back that assertion beyond you said so. What people are saying is that considering JSN outproduced all of them in 2021, it is entirely possibly and more likely that they truly think this guy who is 2 years younger than them is actually better. The dude came in as a 19 year old and outperformed 2 first rounders that were 21.

So we aren't just basing it on production. We are basing it on what Wilson and Olave said, the fact he outperformed them and the fact he is a full 2 years younger than them and thus may still have untapped potential. You are claiming Wilson and Olave are lying simply because it fits what you want to believe. You have absolutely no evidence to support that beyond your own opinion.



Waddle again was drafted in a Covid year. Teams made allowances for him and Chase due to Covid because there were a **** ton of players that played reduced games or opted out that year. That is not the same as a player getting injured and then putting up 43 yards in a season where there aren't a **** ton of other players doing the same. And yes if he puts up big numbers at the combine then his stock will improve which is also a reason why you claiming Olave and Wilson are lying doesn't make any sense. You don't know the kid. They see him in practice and the gym for 2 years. They saw him outproduce them while being 2 years younger. So their opinion is more believable than yours because they have better info on the kid that you do.

The fact they think he is better doesn't mean he actually is as they could simply be wrong but jumping thru all these hoops to claim they are lying when there is plenty of evidence to support their opinion is just strange. If you think he isn't good then just say that. No need to claim people are lying just to make your opinion appear more valid.

No, my evidence is that he won't be drafted as high as they were in a considerably weaker draft. My evidence is he does not have the traits they do. My evidence is he does not have the versatility they do. My evidence is they both put up OROY worthy numbers (1 won it) while projecting that JSN won't do that. My evidence is the production argument is BS because he only outproduced them because he played 2 more games than they did. And the 2 games he didn't have them, he put up astronomical numbers which skewed the numbers in his favor. I have said all these things, it's not just "because I said so". You are completely misrepresenting me and ignoring things I have said.

Waddle missing time had nothing to do with Covid though, and everything to do with being injured.

And I started off with I think they are lying. I didn't try to prove my opinion until it was challenged. You could have just left my comment alone and not said shit. But here we are. Aren't you jumping thru those same hoops to prove they aren't lying?

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624076716695076865

 

[Dejo]

Dayuuum, hope @Bust can handle this news okay

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624075583238946817

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624071315031293959

 

[pdxbearsfan]

What you said actually was you are as big a fan of him as anyone which would make me go ahead and assume you'd have known they said that while they were all still waiting to as you described it "get paid" and the entire premise of your argument completely fell apart from there.

Basically it just tells me you say things for the sake of saying them and I'd prolly rather listen to his college teammate who went and balled out after in the NFL saying he's the real deal when he had no dog in the race.

You are correct.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

The bowl game against Utah that Wilson and Olave didn't even play in as far as i can recall, JSN had like 350 yards. I mean 350 fucking yards. He was literally so good he was able to generate all three of their production at once. How anybody looks at what the other two have done so far in the NFL and thinks anything other than "we gotta have this guy" is insane to me

Again you are correct, he is unguardable a real animal, we need him.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Statistically, Cousins is clearly a franchise QB. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean he's not a legit franchise QB. 6 seasons each in passing yards, passing TDs, completion %, passer rating and GW drives.

"6 seasons in which", what?

 

[number51]

Further the fact the waiver allows the NFL to disclose the personal medical history of combine participants to the world is also potentially against the law.

LOL The medical history of guys that want to get paid millions of dollars can be kept quiet if they don't mind dropping in the draft, or maybe dropping out of the draft and the league. If a guy wants to keep his medical history quiet he has the freedom to get a job as an accountant or a janitor.

If you want to play in the NFL, a mans medical history has to be an open book. That is one of the negatives to a dream job they have all craved forever.

This is not even slightly complicated, if you want to make a fortune for playing a game, everyone is going to know about your knee.

If a player decides that keeping his medical history private is more important than making millions of dollars, cool, this is America. They all have the option to get regular jobs and keep their medical, personal, emotional, and financial histories private. I know of no person that has chosen an anonymous private life over the life of a professional athlete. I'm sure there are a few out there, but we don't know about them, they are anonymous by choice.

I wonder if there is a guy out there that passed on an NFL career to keep his privacy, and is now a 58 year old that spent his life working 6 days a week, trying to feed his kids and get them into college. I also wonder that if, in hindsight, he would be happy with that decision.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Fat Nagy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623878074764005376

Except Daboll can coach.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

That's not the reason JSN is not as good as Olave and Wilson. That comment was in response to a comment that JSN outproduced them on the same roster in 2021, so that proves he's better. When using that same logic, he was outproduced by Wilson in the games they played together. He's not as good as Olave and Wilson because he doesn't have as good of traits as they do. He's not as fast as either. He's not as versatile to play inside/out as they are (may be only a slot WR). I STILL THINK JSN IS REALLY DAMN GOOD, he's just not as good as they are. IDC what they say. Athletes say wrong shit sometimes. I have gotten paid to evaluate prospects before, and my evaluation is that JSN is better.

And I don't think you know what moving the goalposts mean. I am simply arguing my side by making different points. While the response has been repeating the same BS "bUt WiLsOn SaId He WaS bEtTeR!" while you guys are arguing shit I didn't say.

How come you're on CCS if you get/got paid to evaluate talent? I agree with you that JSN is better.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624076716695076865

He dogged a bullet. Sure he would have made the guaranteed money but it would have been a legacy killer working for this shit org

 

[iueyedoc]

Also ran across this little diddy while looking for the mythical Roquan is worth multiple 1sts posts:

Quan is a two time 2nd team All Pro. Payne has never made the Pro Bowl or All Pro teams and never had more than 5 sacks in a season. His scouting report also does not strike me as a classic 3T.

Weaknesses

• Doesn't come off the snap with much juice and will pop up a little tall
• Has athletic ability but is more of a phone booth defender than down-the-line tackler
• Square-up player with average change of direction or ability to get the upper body turn to climb over and around the top
• Pass rush can come to a grinding halt if his first move is stopped
• Ability to play on rush downs could be the difference between first and second

Daron Payne Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

www.nfl.com

He really does not possess the quickness and first step explosiveness you want from a 3T and profiles as more of a NT with some pass rush ability. I certainly would not pass on paying Quan 20m a year to give Payne close to that as I don't think he truly solves our need at 3T.

 

[DrGonzo]

Dayuuum, hope @Bust can handle this news okay

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624075583238946817

If that's all it takes to get benched we should have asked one of the Bears' receivers to punch Mustipher.

 

[Butkus34]

If that's all it takes to get benched we should have asked one of the Bears' receivers to punch Mustipher.

he finally did get benched, but Patrick was made out of glass

 

[rawdawg]

"6 seasons in which", what?

6 seasons in top 10 of each of those categories, my bad.

 

[rawdawg]

How come you're on CCS if you get/got paid to evaluate talent? I agree with you that JSN is better.

I got paid by a website to write prospect evaluations. And that was a typo as well. JSN is "not" better is what I meant.

 

[Dejo]

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[Nelly]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624147945858940933

They sure spelled "Ayahuasca journeys" wrong there at the end.

 

[bamainatlanta]

LOL The medical history of guys that want to get paid millions of dollars can be kept quiet if they don't mind dropping in the draft, or maybe dropping out of the draft and the league. If a guy wants to keep his medical history quiet he has the freedom to get a job as an accountant or a janitor.

If you want to play in the NFL, a mans medical history has to be an open book. That is one of the negatives to a dream job they have all craved forever.

This is not even slightly complicated, if you want to make a fortune for playing a game, everyone is going to know about your knee.

If a player decides that keeping his medical history private is more important than making millions of dollars, cool, this is America. They all have the option to get regular jobs and keep their medical, personal, emotional, and financial histories private. I know of no person that has chosen an anonymous private life over the life of a professional athlete. I'm sure there are a few out there, but we don't know about them, they are anonymous by choice.

I wonder if there is a guy out there that passed on an NFL career to keep his privacy, and is now a 58 year old that spent his life working 6 days a week, trying to feed his kids and get them into college. I also wonder that if, in hindsight, he would be happy with that decision.

Them getting medically checked out falls under BFOQ and is definitely not illegal. It also covers the teams from potential lethal medical conditions—like Gaines Adams. Had the NFL instituted more rigorous medical checks prior to the draft, he’d still be alive. The agents and team employees that leak the injury information isn’t legal but good luck proving who said what. Players also talk as well.

 

[Dejo]

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