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[NCChiFan]

Anyone catch Mel Kiper talking weak draft? He mentioned, normally at this point he is looking at 120 ish NFL talented players coming out. Right now he is seeing only 85.

 

[clenbuterol_clint]

And based on the logic used in this thread, Jaylen Waddle (the most productive in the NFL and the highest drafted from the 2019 Bama WR room) was the worst prospect between him, Jeudy, Ruggs and Devonta Smith. If not him, it was Smith who was 4th on the team WR in 2018 (Waddle was 3rd).

Oh and he was also injured in his final year (not as injured as JSN this year), but it surely affected his draft stock when he fell to (checks notes) 7th overall.

Bro what are you even saying at this point. And also imagine saying Alabamas WR room was better when the one kid transferred to Alabama just to get playing time. Use logic. Use the math your elementary teachers taught you. Do something. I'll pray for you.

 

[clenbuterol_clint]

Anyone catch Mel Kiper talking weak draft? He mentioned, normally at this point he is looking at 120 ish NFL talented players coming out. Right now he is seeing only 85.

I have been alive for 30 years and I think he's said this same thing to a near identical situation like 14 times in my 30 years of life.

 

[Dejo]

Fat Nagy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623878074764005376

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623758882463166464

 

[number51]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623758882463166464

The agent want's to eliminate the combine??? Shocking!!!! The used car salesmen would love to eliminate the test drive.

He says the only reason for an MRI is to decrease the players value?

He fails to mention that if the player is fully recovered from an injury a clean MRI will increase his value.

 

[rawdawg]

Bro what are you even saying at this point. And also imagine saying Alabamas WR room was better when the one kid transferred to Alabama just to get playing time. Use logic. Use the math your elementary teachers taught you. Do something. I'll pray for you.

Jameson Williams was a different Alabama WR room than the one I'm talking about. You're the one that's not making any damn sense.

 

[remydat]

What you say isn't really true either. The NFL in very recent years has drafted a WR top 12 who tore his ACL 3 months before the draft. The NFL also drafted WR1 who sat out a year (not injured). And I know the pandemic was a special circumstance but injuries and lack of recent on field production isn't necessarily a deterrent either if the traits are there.

Jameson Wiliams had 1500+ yards the year before he was drafted. He did not have 43 yards so that is not remotely comparable. Chase sat out due to Covid. He did not play and then put up just 43 yards so that is not remotely comparable.

I know

Right and sounds like you don't know either.

 

[remydat]

The agent want's to eliminate the combine??? Shocking!!!! The used car salesmen would love to eliminate the test drive.

He says the only reason for an MRI is to decrease the players value?

He fails to mention that if the player is fully recovered from an injury a clean MRI will increase his value.

His comments were in response to Troy Vincent ie Executive Director of Football Operations criticizing the combine as akin to a slave auction.

NFL meeting gets heated after Troy Vincent compares draft combine to ‘slave auction’

Troy Vincent, the NFL’s EVP of football operations, reportedly offended some team owners, including Jerry Jones and Arthur Blank, after comparing the scouting combine to having characteristic…

nypost.com

So it isn't just the NFLPA saying it but a top executive within the NFL as well. The proposal to have regional pro days run by the NFL is not some radical idea. Further his main beef is the medical waiver combine participants are forced to sign that gives away their rights. The below explains the issue quite clearly.

Medical Records and the NFL Combine - Bill of Health

This post is part of our Blog Symposium “Applying the Americans with Disabilities Act and Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act to the NFL Workplace.” Background on the symposium and links to other blog posts are here. By Jessica L. Roberts In our recent law review article, published by the...

blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu

The jist of it is the combine and the medical waiver is potentially against the law as there are laws that prohibit a prospective employer from collecting medical data pre-employment. Further the fact the waiver allows the NFL to disclose the personal medical history of combine participants to the world is also potentially against the law.

 

[Dejo]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624046814553841664

 

[remydat]

Seems he was open quite a bit and Fields and him need to get on the same page and develop better chemistry. He also appears to be running longer developing routes so need a good OL to really be able to take advantage. He can't throw himself the damn ball anymore than Fields can catch his own passes.

 

[iueyedoc]

Yeah, him saying that means nothing to me. Him and Olave got paid, they are trying to get their boy paid as well. And I love JSN as much as anyone, but there's 0 chance he's as good as Olave and Wilson. Wilson put up 1100 yards with 4 different guys playing QB, and 13 of those games were started by Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco and Chris Strevler. Olave cracked 1000 and he missed 2 games, but he had better per game numbers across the board than Wilson with Andy Dalton throwing to him for 14 games.

JSN doesn't have the natural ability those guys have and definitely won't make the year 1 impact those guys did.

OK? Nothing else I said was false. He's not better. They know he's not better. And they are just being good teammates/friends.

The video I responded to was Wilson saying it today, not in college. And when it was said originally, I'm sure Wilson/Olave were already projected as 1st round picks so the "get paid" part was already happening.

But objectively speaking, Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave were both top 11 picks in a very good and deep draft. JSN will not go top 11 in a substantially less talented draft this year, so that's all the evidence I need to know JSN is not a better prospect than those 2.

So it's not my opinion vs. Garrett Wilson's. It's Garrett Wilson's opinion vs. mine and 32 NFL teams' opinions. But believe whatever the hell you want.

Someones...

Like I said, it's not just my opinion. It's the opinion of the NFL, which will support my opinion by NOT picking JSN as high as they picked his teammates. Not picked higher = not better. Everything else you typed is utter nonsense. Could have saved 450 characters.

It's a shame Justin Fields is not better than Zach Wilson or Trey Lance.

Oh and funny you mention the Rose Bowl. That actually helps my point. JSN played 13 games to Olave and Wilson's 11 each. The 2 games Wilson missed were the Rose Bowl (also Olave missed) and Nebraska.

JSN's numbers in those 2 games: 15 catches, 347 yards and 15 catches, 240 yards. Take out those 2 games and Wilson outproduced him.

Oh and the best WR room in history was at Bama around the same time.

So now he is worse because he single-handedly produced the equivalent of 3 WR's all having 100 yrds receiving in game by himself when they chose not to play?

You're a funny guy.

 

[dabears70]

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[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624051122624135170

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I see the retardation is still strong here.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624057577368682497

 

[rawdawg]

Someones...

It's a shame Justin Fields is not better than Zach Wilson or Trey Lance.

So now he is worse because he single-handedly produced the equivalent of 3 WR's all having 100 yrds receiving in game by himself when they chose not to play?

You're a funny guy.

That's not the reason JSN is not as good as Olave and Wilson. That comment was in response to a comment that JSN outproduced them on the same roster in 2021, so that proves he's better. When using that same logic, he was outproduced by Wilson in the games they played together. He's not as good as Olave and Wilson because he doesn't have as good of traits as they do. He's not as fast as either. He's not as versatile to play inside/out as they are (may be only a slot WR). I STILL THINK JSN IS REALLY DAMN GOOD, he's just not as good as they are. IDC what they say. Athletes say wrong shit sometimes. I have gotten paid to evaluate prospects before, and my evaluation is that JSN is better.

And I don't think you know what moving the goalposts mean. I am simply arguing my side by making different points. While the response has been repeating the same BS "bUt WiLsOn SaId He WaS bEtTeR!" while you guys are arguing shit I didn't say.

 

[rawdawg]

Jameson Wiliams had 1500+ yards the year before he was drafted. He did not have 43 yards so that is not remotely comparable. Chase sat out due to Covid. He did not play and then put up just 43 yards so that is not remotely comparable.

The point wasn't that they were comparable. The point was that the NFL drafts injured players or players who didn't put up stats early because of traits. And comparable or not, JSN essentially opted out. 13 game season and he couldn't return from a hamstring in 4 months? He basically packed it in for the draft, and I don't blame him.

But I also mentioned Waddle. He was injured most of his last year and still went top 10 because he ran fast as shit. Teams forgive a lot when you run a 4.3. And if JSN does, teams won't care he only put up 43 yards this year.

 

[remydat]

That's not the reason JSN is not as good as Olave and Wilson. That comment was in response to a comment that JSN outproduced them on the same roster in 2021, so that proves he's better. When using that same logic, he was outproduced by Wilson in the games they played together. He's not as good as Olave and Wilson because he doesn't have as good of traits as they do. He's not as fast as either. He's not as versatile to play inside/out as they are (may be only a slot WR). I STILL THINK JSN IS REALLY DAMN GOOD, he's just not as good as they are. IDC what they say. Athletes say wrong shit sometimes. I have gotten paid to evaluate prospects before, and my evaluation is that JSN is better.

And I don't think you know what moving the goalposts mean. I am simply arguing my side by making different points. While the response has been repeating the same BS "bUt WiLsOn SaId He WaS bEtTeR!" while you guys are arguing shit I didn't say.

Yeah no. You are suggesting Olave and Wilson are lying providing no evidence to back that assertion beyond you said so. What people are saying is that considering JSN outproduced all of them in 2021, it is entirely possibly and more likely that they truly think this guy who is 2 years younger than them is actually better. The dude came in as a 19 year old and outperformed 2 first rounders that were 21.

So we aren't just basing it on production. We are basing it on what Wilson and Olave said, the fact he outperformed them and the fact he is a full 2 years younger than them and thus may still have untapped potential. You are claiming Wilson and Olave are lying simply because it fits what you want to believe. You have absolutely no evidence to support that beyond your own opinion.

The point wasn't that they were comparable. The point was that the NFL drafts injured players or players who didn't put up stats early because of traits. And comparable or not, JSN essentially opted out. 13 game season and he couldn't return from a hamstring in 4 months? He basically packed it in for the draft, and I don't blame him.

But I also mentioned Waddle. He was injured most of his last year and still went top 10 because he ran fast as shit. Teams forgive a lot when you run a 4.3. And if JSN does, teams won't care he only put up 43 yards this year.

Waddle again was drafted in a Covid year. Teams made allowances for him and Chase due to Covid because there were a **** ton of players that played reduced games or opted out that year. That is not the same as a player getting injured and then putting up 43 yards in a season where there aren't a **** ton of other players doing the same. And yes if he puts up big numbers at the combine then his stock will improve which is also a reason why you claiming Olave and Wilson are lying doesn't make any sense. You don't know the kid. They see him in practice and the gym for 2 years. They saw him outproduce them while being 2 years younger. So their opinion is more believable than yours because they have better info on the kid that you do.

The fact they think he is better doesn't mean he actually is as they could simply be wrong but jumping thru all these hoops to claim they are lying when there is plenty of evidence to support their opinion is just strange. If you think he isn't good then just say that. No need to claim people are lying just to make your opinion appear more valid.

 

[iueyedoc]

That's not the reason JSN is not as good as Olave and Wilson. That comment was in response to a comment that JSN outproduced them on the same roster in 2021, so that proves he's better. When using that same logic, he was outproduced by Wilson in the games they played together. He's not as good as Olave and Wilson because he doesn't have as good of traits as they do. He's not as fast as either. He's not as versatile to play inside/out as they are (may be only a slot WR). I STILL THINK JSN IS REALLY DAMN GOOD, he's just not as good as they are. IDC what they say. Athletes say wrong shit sometimes. I have gotten paid to evaluate prospects before, and my evaluation is that JSN is better.

And I don't think you know what moving the goalposts mean. I am simply arguing my side by making different points. While the response has been repeating the same BS "bUt WiLsOn SaId He WaS bEtTeR!" while you guys are arguing shit I didn't say.

LOL,Hey @JoJoBoxer, Greg Gabriel is on CCS. #confirmed