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rawdawg said:
I got paid by a website to write prospect evaluations. And that was a typo as well. JSN is "not" better is what I meant.
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And to think I used to like you and your analysis until you disagreed with me on JSN.. :)
 
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number51 said:
LOL The medical history of guys that want to get paid millions of dollars can be kept quiet if they don't mind dropping in the draft, or maybe dropping out of the draft and the league. If a guy wants to keep his medical history quiet he has the freedom to get a job as an accountant or a janitor.

If you want to play in the NFL, a mans medical history has to be an open book. That is one of the negatives to a dream job they have all craved forever.

This is not even slightly complicated, if you want to make a fortune for playing a game, everyone is going to know about your knee.

If a player decides that keeping his medical history private is more important than making millions of dollars, cool, this is America. They all have the option to get regular jobs and keep their medical, personal, emotional, and financial histories private. I know of no person that has chosen an anonymous private life over the life of a professional athlete. I'm sure there are a few out there, but we don't know about them, they are anonymous by choice.

I wonder if there is a guy out there that passed on an NFL career to keep his privacy, and is now a 58 year old that spent his life working 6 days a week, trying to feed his kids and get them into college. I also wonder that if, in hindsight, he would be happy with that decision.
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idk where this idea that money trumps basic rights and legal protections came from. Usually when someone makes a bunch of money, they are more protected, not less.

I mean, I get what you are saying, but don't think it is nearly as simple as you make it out to be.

And if you are talking about salaries, a football player is nowhere near the most lucrative profession in the US. And you don't see Bezos forking an ounce legally protected privacy.

On the other hand, it is voluntary and nobody HAS to participate in the combine.

It's a tricky issue.
 
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rawdawg said:
No, my evidence is that he won't be drafted as high as they were in a considerably weaker draft. My evidence is he does not have the traits they do. My evidence is he does not have the versatility they do. My evidence is they both put up OROY worthy numbers (1 won it) while projecting that JSN won't do that. My evidence is the production argument is BS because he only outproduced them because he played 2 more games than they did. And the 2 games he didn't have them, he put up astronomical numbers which skewed the numbers in his favor. I have said all these things, it's not just "because I said so". You are completely misrepresenting me and ignoring things I have said.

Waddle missing time had nothing to do with Covid though, and everything to do with being injured.

And I started off with I think they are lying. I didn't try to prove my opinion until it was challenged. You could have just left my comment alone and not said shit. But here we are. Aren't you jumping thru those same hoops to prove they aren't lying?
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The draft hasn't happened yet so no that is not evidence. That is your opinion so again this claim amounts to because you said so.

The claim he doesn't have the traits they do is also just your opinion especially when the combine hasn't even happened yet so again this claim amounts to because you said so.

Projecting that JSN won't put up OROY numbers is not evidence. Again that is just your opinion about a future event that hasn't even happened yet so again this claim amounts to because you said so.

The claim he only outproduced them because he played more games is actually a flat out lie. Olave averaged 85 yards a game in 11 games. Wilson averaged 95 yards a game in 11 games and JSN averaged 125 yards a game in 13 games. So even if you project Wilson and Olave's per game averages for 13 games they would finish with less yards than JSN. Further even if you remove the one game both Wilson and Olave missed JSN would have 1259 yards in 12 games which is 105 yards per game which is still more than Wilson and Olave. So no remove that huge game against Utah would still result in JSN outproducing him.

So no you have provided no evidence. You you are simply giving your opinion that is backed up by nothing beyond because you said so and then you lied about JSN only outproducing Olave and Wilson because of the game they both missed.

I did not say Waddle missed time because of Covid. I said he missed time during the Covid year as did many other prospects. So it was an unusual year were his main competition for the top WR was a guy that also missed the whole year. The number of prospects that played a limited amount that year was greater than any year perhaps in NFL history due to Covid. So Waddle wasn't hugely disadvantaged relative to his peers. By contrast JSN missed time when the other top WRs largely did not.

Finally you seem confused. I have no reason to believe Wilson or Olave are lying because I have no agenda here. Generally speaking I assume people are telling the truth unless they give me a reason to doubt them. By contrast, you are going out of your way to accuse Olave or Wilson as lying because you believe they are better than JSN. That is clearly a position born out of your bias. It is entirely logical for them to believe a 19 year old who outproduced them is better given they had 2 years on him.
 
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number51 said:
LOL The medical history of guys that want to get paid millions of dollars can be kept quiet if they don't mind dropping in the draft, or maybe dropping out of the draft and the league. If a guy wants to keep his medical history quiet he has the freedom to get a job as an accountant or a janitor.

If you want to play in the NFL, a mans medical history has to be an open book. That is one of the negatives to a dream job they have all craved forever.

This is not even slightly complicated, if you want to make a fortune for playing a game, everyone is going to know about your knee.

If a player decides that keeping his medical history private is more important than making millions of dollars, cool, this is America. They all have the option to get regular jobs and keep their medical, personal, emotional, and financial histories private. I know of no person that has chosen an anonymous private life over the life of a professional athlete. I'm sure there are a few out there, but we don't know about them, they are anonymous by choice.

I wonder if there is a guy out there that passed on an NFL career to keep his privacy, and is now a 58 year old that spent his life working 6 days a week, trying to feed his kids and get them into college. I also wonder that if, in hindsight, he would be happy with that decision.
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You seem confused. I am not advocating for anything. I am telling you it is potentially against the law because that is a fact. I would also point out that baseball doesn't have a combine. They offer you a contract and once that offer is extended you get a medical which is consistent with the law. The legal issue here is the NFL is collecting all this personal info and disclosing it to the public before an offer of employment has been extended. The fact other professional leagues survive without such a process is proof that such a process is not actually required and simply a matter of preference.

So don't know what to tell you. Smith is a lawyer tasked with representing the players. When a top NFL exec compares the combine to a slave auction and when it goes far beyond other professional sports with respect to how intrusive they are, Smith should be fired if he had not raised this issue. He is doing the job he is paid to do. Protect the players. The NFL knows they are on shaky ground because Vincent made his comment while announcing changes to the combine process.
 
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iueyedoc said:
Also ran across this little diddy while looking for the mythical Roquan is worth multiple 1sts posts:
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Not sure the point here. I would not give Payne 20m a year for 4.5 sacks. I stand by that post from AUGUST 2022. He then went out and put up 11.5 sacks and now I would consider giving him 20m a year for that level of production. So don't know what to tell you. He went out and produced well above his previous level. Good for him.
 
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