**OFFICAIL** Bears 2024 Regular Season News & Schleisse - FTO Preferred - No ALTS! Derailing Is Discouraged!

[Butkus34]

This is a year where you invest in the lines, both offensive and defensive knowing you can't fix everything this year.

Yep, and if the trenches are strong, the back side of the D and the skill players on O will be better to a degree from that play.

 

[bears51/40]

Boom.

A DL of Key-Tomlinson-Jones-Anderson is legit AF

Actually, if it came down to Anderson vs Wilson, I think Poles would choose Wilson.

 

[Enasic]

Actually, if it came down to Anderson vs Wilson, I think Poles would choose Wilson.

Any particular reason you think Poles would choose Wilson over Anderson?

 

[remydat]

Yeah you just skipped the next sentence where I write that I'm fine with signing one or the other. It's the overall spending spree with buying two free agent defensive tackles, not trading down from first overall and signing Arden Key that I take issue with.

No I didn't skip it. I had no problem with it. I only responded to the part that made no fucking sense which is the claim that DT is a non-premium position. That is simply wrong. The rest of your post was fine.

 

[bears51/40]

Any particular reason you think Poles would choose Wilson over Anderson?

Yes, Wison has the size and length at 6-6 275 that both Poles and Flus are looking for in their DE's. Plus, he is just now hitting his full potential, he is just scratching the surface of what he could be.

Poles was also talking very highly of Wilson towards the end of the season when it looked like the Bears would have at least a top 5 pick. He fits this defense better than Anderson does.

 

[rawdawg]

right, who doesn't love a good spreadsheet! Word!

No, that's Excel.

 

[remydat]

I don't think Ngakoue is the type of player that Eberflus will want, and I agree. He's bad against run, and when I've watched him less impactful against the pass than his numbers indicate. I think there's a reason he's been on 5 teams in 4 years, no multiyear deal in there.
I think they will prioritize bigger players who are better against the run at DE.

I like Dremont Jones's disruptive ability, but he just gets dominated on too many plays to be worth $14m+ per year.

Key is interesting and I'd take him on a prove it deal, but nothing close to eight figures or multiple years.

I like Zach Allen a lot, and he's not getting much attention at all around here. Versatile, can play the run and get after the QB.

DeMarcus Walker is a sneaky signing for DL too.

I could see Yannick and Jones working in a scenario where you drafted Carter or signed Payne or Hargrave. Then let's say you drafted Murphy/Wilson. If so then on run downs you would have

LE - DJones
DT - JJones/Pennel
DT - Carter/Payne/Hargrave
RE - Murphy/Wilson

On passing downs it would be

LE - Murphy/Wilson
DT - DJones
DT - Carter/Payne/Hargrave
RE - Yannick

I would not sign Yannick unless it was mainly has a pass rush specialist and I think Jones best fit is splitting time at DE/DT

 

[rawdawg]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Bears do at DE. Eberflus' defenses never really had anything more than average edge play, and the Colts drafted a bunch of players with Flus there. Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Kemoko Turay, Tyquan Lewis were drafted in his time in Indy. They signed a bunch of average FAs as well with guys like Denico Autry, Jabaal Sheard, Margus Hunt, Jihad Ward, old version of Justin Houston, and Muhammad obviously.

I hope they aim much higher than this group. And I can't say Flus doesn't value DE because they did spend for Houston and all of those draft picks were day 2, so maybe he just really sucks at evaluating them. Of course, he wasn't GM or HC in Indy so maybe he didn't have much input. But that's not a very inspiring group of edge players.

 

[rawdawg]

I could see Yannick and Jones working in a scenario where you drafted Carter or signed Payne or Hargrave. Then let's say you drafted Murphy/Wilson. If so then on run downs you would have

LE - DJones
DT - JJones/Pennel
DT - Carter/Payne/Hargrave
RE - Murphy/Wilson

On passing downs it would be

LE - Murphy/Wilson
DT - DJones
DT - Carter/Payne/Hargrave
RE - Yannick

I would not sign Yannick unless it was mainly has a pass rush specialist and I think Jones best fit is splitting time at DE/DT

I don't see DreMont Jones AND another big money DT signed. And they won't be able to draft Carter and get Murphy/Wilson, but there's some Day 2 guys with some size (Zach Harrison, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anudike-Uzomah) and Gipson can get some reps in base D as well.

But yeah, I love the thought of this DL overall. Jones can play base D, pass 3T. Draft Carter and you have your base down 3T who can move to 1T on passing downs. Ngakoue on pass downs (which face it are like 60% of the plays anyway) and mix and match the draft pick with a hopefully better developed version of Dominique Robinson and you should be able to generate a decent pass rush.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628768117710094338

 

[remydat]

I don't see DreMont Jones AND another big money DT signed. And they won't be able to draft Carter and get Murphy/Wilson, but there's some Day 2 guys with some size (Zach Harrison, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anudike-Uzomah) and Gipson can get some reps in base D as well.

But yeah, I love the thought of this DL overall. Jones can play base D, pass 3T. Draft Carter and you have your base down 3T who can move to 1T on passing downs. Ngakoue on pass downs (which face it are like 60% of the plays anyway) and mix and match the draft pick with a hopefully better developed version of Dominique Robinson and you should be able to generate a decent pass rush.

Well yeah, it depends on how much these guys go for and if you went Carter then I assume you either got another DE or felt comfortable with Gipson/Robinson.

 

[TezMaKai]

Any particular reason you think Poles would choose Wilson over Anderson?

Scheme fit, freakish measurables, versatility to play DE or 3T.

 

[TezMaKai]

Here is an excellent Tyree Wilson breakdown from Swifty.

 

[Enasic]

Yes, Wison has the size and length at 6-6 275 that both Poles and Flus are looking for in their DE's. Plus, he is just now hitting his full potential, he is just scratching the surface of what he could be.

Poles was also talking very highly of Wilson towards the end of the season when it looked like the Bears would have at least a top 5 pick. He fits this defense better than Anderson does.

I don’t doubt the Bears would have interest in Wilson but I’d be fairly surprised if they selected him over Anderson. The narrative that Anderson doesn’t fit a 4-3 is a lot of nonsense, IMO. Not that you’re saying that per say, but Anderson would fit the defense just fine

 

[Moses Moreno]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628768117710094338

Houston beat writer offered 2+12, dunno how you pass that up especially if you're gonna trade back again and take that NU tackle.

You could trade crazy back with 2 and still get a high level T at 12.

 

[remydat]

I don’t doubt the Bears would have interest in Wilson but I’d be fairly surprised if they selected him over Anderson. The narrative that Anderson doesn’t fit a 4-3 is a lot of nonsense, IMO. Not that you’re saying that per say, but Anderson would fit the defense just fine

I don't think it is nonsense at all. He is undersized as a 4-3 DE. That is simply reality. DEs his size typically do struggle against the run as he is closer in size to Yannick who clearly struggles against the run due to his size. Having said that, I think Anderson can still play in a 4-3 as a DE but he is clearly not the ideal fit. You would generally want a guy in the 265-280 range in a Cover 2 4-3 Defense.

 

[rawdawg]

Tyree Wilson looked really good this year, and physically, you can't ask for a better specimen. I just feel like guys with his size and skillset don't have a lot of recent history of success in the NFL. You have to go back to like Ed "Too Tall" Jones for a successful guy with Wilson's body type. Jones obviously is a HOF (I think), but the current NFL game is predicated on speed, bend and change of direction skills and I'm not sure Wilson has enough to be more than a 6-8 sack guy at the NFL level.

6-8 sack guy is fine. But do you want that out of a top 10 pick? 4 of the top 10 in sacks (and 5 of the top 9 edge guys) this year weighed less than 250. And I know it's more to an edge guy than just sacks and Wilson will likely be a strong run defender with some flexibility to go inside, but I don't love him as a top 10 pick.

 

[Enasic]

I don't think it is nonsense at all. He is undersized as a 4-3 DE. That is simply reality. DEs his size typically do struggle against the run as he is closer in size to Yannick who clearly struggles against the run due to his size. Having said that, I think Anderson can still play in a 4-3 as a DE but he is clearly not the ideal fit. You would generally want a guy in the 265-280 range in a Cover 2 4-3 Defense.

You said it - He can play in a 4-3. Whether he’s an “ideal” fit is irrelevant. He can be a game wrecker there. Hes very good against the run at Bama, and while the competition will be bigger in the NFL, he’s not that much difference in size than Mack during his earlier years who was awesome playing 4-3 end. I’d guess Anderson can prob pack on another 10 lbs as well.

 

[remydat]

Tyree Wilson looked really good this year, and physically, you can't ask for a better specimen. I just feel like guys with his size and skillset don't have a lot of recent history of success in the NFL. You have to go back to like Ed "Too Tall" Jones for a successful guy with Wilson's body type. Jones obviously is a HOF (I think), but the current NFL game is predicated on speed, bend and change of direction skills and I'm not sure Wilson has enough to be more than a 6-8 sack guy at the NFL level.

6-8 sack guy is fine. But do you want that out of a top 10 pick? 4 of the top 10 in sacks (and 5 of the top 9 edge guys) this year weighed less than 250. And I know it's more to an edge guy than just sacks and Wilson will likely be a strong run defender with some flexibility to go inside, but I don't love him as a top 10 pick.

Hmm not sure I would agree there. He is a little bigger than Myles Garrett and a little smaller than JJ Watt. Peppers also had a similar build when he played for us. He is a LE that can move inside and play some 3T.

 

[remydat]

You said it - He can play in a 4-3. Whether he’s an “ideal” fit is irrelevant. He can be a game wrecker there. Hes very good against the run at Bama, and while the competition will be bigger in the NFL, he’s not that much difference in size than Mack during his earlier years who was awesome playing 4-3 end. I’d guess Anderson can prob pack on another 10 lbs as well.

Yeah I guess I am saying I am not convinced he can be a game wrecker in a 4-3. Mack is incredibly strong for his size and has always had a good mix of power and speed. Not sure I view Anderson in the same vein. He is more of a speed rusher at the NFL level. It is not enough for me to not draft him if he is there but I think the concerns about his size are legit.