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Chicagosports89 said:
First, no offense to @bamainatlanta but this was mentioned with no source.
Second, lots of times these reports aren't accurate.
Third, DeForest Buckner is an elite DT that's still just 28. He'd instantly improve the entire DL. So even if teams are currently offering a 3rd, you may need to offer a 2nd to get that difference maker or even more.
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that may be true but he also comes with a $17M cap hit for 2023, which would be pretty pricey for most teams at this point. Teams would likely need to sign him to a new contract extension to lower that cap hit (the Bears have the cap space however)
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
First, no offense to @bamainatlanta but this was mentioned with no source.
Second, lots of times these reports aren't accurate.
Third, DeForest Buckner is an elite DT that's still just 28. He'd instantly improve the entire DL. So even if teams are currently offering a 3rd, you may need to offer a 2nd to get that difference maker or even more.
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It’s been on the Colts board for quite some time now(their fans are surprisingly more grounded in player values) but I didn’t notice this yesterday:

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Report: Colts Restructure DT DeForest Buckner’s Contract to Create Extra Salary Cap Space

The Colts made a slight salary cap saving maneuver, leaving fans to question what’s the franchise’s next move?
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So this isn’t happening now. Colts beat writers were prior speculating that he was available as they heard rumors from the Indy HQ awhile ago.
 
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that may be true but he also comes with a $17M cap hit for 2023, which would be pretty pricey for most teams at this point. Teams would likely need to sign him to a new contract extension to lower that cap hit (the Bears have the cap space however)
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True. I think he's still worth a 2 easy and would do that as the bears, but I don't know what the market looks like. Lions should be all over a move like this
 

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Les Grossman said:
that may be true but he also comes with a $17M cap hit for 2023, which would be pretty pricey for most teams at this point. Teams would likely need to sign him to a new contract extension to lower that cap hit (the Bears have the cap space however)
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The Colts just restructured his contract and reduced his salary for 2023 to $13.75M. He's on the books next year for $20M. The restructure reduced his salary by $5M but only saved the Colts $2.5M in cap space. To me, this looks like they are trying to make him easier to trade.
 
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The Colts just restructured his contract and reduced his salary for 2023 to $13.75M. He's on the books next year for $20M. The restructure reduced his salary by $5M but only saved the Colts $2.5M in cap space. To me, this looks like they are trying to make him easier to trade.
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Not so sure about that:

"Wednesday also brought about more assurance that Buckner would be sticking with the Colts. The Colts restructured Buckner's contract by converting $5 million of his 2023 salary into a signing bonus. The restructure creates $2.5 million in cap space for the Colts and fully guarantees Buckner's $19.75 million salary for 2023."

 
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maxhatter said:
The Colts just restructured his contract and reduced his salary for 2023 to $13.75M. He's on the books next year for $20M. The restructure reduced his salary by $5M but only saved the Colts $2.5M in cap space. To me, this looks like they are trying to make him easier to trade.
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I hope so.
 
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Not so sure about that:

"Wednesday also brought about more assurance that Buckner would be sticking with the Colts. The Colts restructured Buckner's contract by converting $5 million of his 2023 salary into a signing bonus. The restructure creates $2.5 million in cap space for the Colts and fully guarantees Buckner's $19.75 million salary for 2023."

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His base salary is $13.75m, the Colts would eat the $5m restructure if they traded him. Buckner already got that money up front.

I think the last mil is a roster bonus, which I believe the Colts already had to pay as well on the first day of the league year.
 
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Just because you don't like the idea of it doesn't mean it's a bad take, it's actually a good take and all he's saying is they should have that conversation. He's not saying they should do it. He's saying if they're sold on A.Richardson or Levis then they should talk about it and they should and probably will even if it's a convo that lasts 20 seconds. It absolutely makes sense to have a QB on a contract that's much more in line with your rebuild then fields is right now. That makes sense.
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No, it's a really dumb take for strategic reasons that are obvious. You have that conversation before you move out of the first pick, because that's when you can control the outcome most.

QBs cost a lot of money, but if you have one, you pay him because there aren't enough to go around. Having a cheaper option makes sense if you aren't sold on investing in the current QB. Having a QB in line with the rebuild for cost control purposes only makes sense when you don't have one worth investing the time into developing, which is also a conversation they should have had when they had the first overall pick.

That is without regard to which QB I like more, and everything to do with being process oriented.
 
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bamainatlanta said:
Richardson is an extremely raw product. Like steak that was ordered rare but never even placed on a grill. He’ll likely have to develop 2 or 3years, thus wasting most of his rookie contract.
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Agree. that's why i said in my first post that if it were me i would of done my talking about drafting a QB at #1 when Young and Stroud were there to get but i see no reason to draft Richardson who's coming out with more question marks then Fields has.
 
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Colts are a bad team with Buckner, but I doubt he gets moved while Ballard is on his last straw
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
First, no offense to @bamainatlanta but this was mentioned with no source.
Second, lots of times these reports aren't accurate.
Third, DeForest Buckner is an elite DT that's still just 28. He'd instantly improve the entire DL. So even if teams are currently offering a 3rd, you may need to offer a 2nd to get that difference maker or even more.
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Can't believe he's only 28. just feels like he's been around a lot longer.
 
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that may be true but he also comes with a $17M cap hit for 2023, which would be pretty pricey for most teams at this point. Teams would likely need to sign him to a new contract extension to lower that cap hit (the Bears have the cap space however)
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Poles is saving money for a reason cause he still has to spend somewhere around $40 mil more this offseason and i'd have no issue giving a beast like Buckner a new deal right away.
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
I dont think white will make it to any of the bears 2nd round picks but hope I'm wrong. I'd much prefer him to foskey who looks to be falling in the bears range
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Foskey is the next Justin Tuck.
 
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gallagher said:
No, it's a really dumb take for strategic reasons that are obvious. You have that conversation before you move out of the first pick, because that's when you can control the outcome most.

QBs cost a lot of money, but if you have one, you pay him because there aren't enough to go around. Having a cheaper option makes sense if you aren't sold on investing in the current QB. Having a QB in line with the rebuild for cost control purposes only makes sense when you don't have one worth investing the time into developing, which is also a conversation they should have had when they had the first overall pick.

That is without regard to which QB I like more, and everything to do with being process oriented.
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The convo should be had especially since i'm pretty sure we made the trade out of the top spot before pro days came for either QB correct? If so then there could be new stuff that came up about those QB's and how they looked at their pro days and any new info that has come out on either besides what they did at their pro days.

Daniel Jeremiah is one of the, if not the, most respected "draft expert" out there and actually has NFL experience unlike many of the other so called "draft experts" and i agree that the convo should at least be had.

If it were me there's no way i'm taking Richardson or Levis over Fields but if i was Poles i would at least go over that convo with my other trusted front office people just to make sure we all agree.
 
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If they traded for Buckner they would almost certainly extend him.
 
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