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dentfan said:
I think they’ve earmarked Learherwood for LG. I really don’t see him beating out Jones, and he sucked on the right in Vegas. Also, he really doesn’t seem to have the build for a center.

So, between one of our rookies from last year or Leatherwood, I’m thinking Whitehair’s days are numbered, and, yes, he’s a team first dude and a solid player, but no way on that contract and that price.

So, I’d like to see two high picks at RT and C.

At C, I’d like to go with a mauling former wrestler, like my boy that KC drafted. I’m still bitter about that shit. Anyway, Christian Haynes out of UCONN is a dude I’m hoping they take a swing on for a C.

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I don't think you can look at how bad the OL has been this year and replace a proven, albeit mediocre player, with someone who has shown to be worse when he has played. Leatherwood is a lottery ticket and should be treated as such. It's nice if he can give you something if someone goes down for an extended period, but you shouldn't count on him to be a starter.

I just think we have be logical about the moves. I don't know anything about Haynes (will check him out), but I don't see Poles moving on from Patrick, being that he's played like 12 snaps at his intended position....and then potentially replacing him with a rookie. I think unless Patrick doesn't heal properly, we should expect him at C and Jones at one of the OT spots. I feel more confident that those will be true even over Jenkins being at RG next year.

I'd love a backup C to groom since Patrick would be on his last year. And I think you have to look to make a huge upgrade at either LG or RT. Easiest would probably be add a stud FA at LG and then draft OT in the top 10 and then figure out who plays left and right between the top 10 pick and Jones.

LT- Top 10 pick
LG- Big money FA
C- Patrick
RG- Jenkins
RT- Jones

Backups- mid round C, vet FA G/T flex, then let Leatherwood and all Poles' 2022 picks fight out for the last backup spots.
 
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3 inches shorter, more stout and heavier than ESB ever could dream of being, but I agree all just speculation.

Now, moving on, if my aunt had balls would she be my uncle?
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I don't think it's a likely thing but it's probably the only way ESB would get some significant PT on a good team.
 
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rawdawg said:
I don't think you can look at how bad the OL has been this year and replace a proven, albeit mediocre player, with someone who has shown to be worse when he has played. Leatherwood is a lottery ticket and should be treated as such. It's nice if he can give you something if someone goes down for an extended period, but you shouldn't count on him to be a starter.

I just think we have be logical about the moves. I don't know anything about Haynes (will check him out), but I don't see Poles moving on from Patrick, being that he's played like 12 snaps at his intended position....and then potentially replacing him with a rookie. I think unless Patrick doesn't heal properly, we should expect him at C and Jones at one of the OT spots. I feel more confident that those will be true even over Jenkins being at RG next year.

I'd love a backup C to groom since Patrick would be on his last year. And I think you have to look to make a huge upgrade at either LG or RT. Easiest would probably be add a stud FA at LG and then draft OT in the top 10 and then figure out who plays left and right between the top 10 pick and Jones.

LT- Top 10 pick
LG- Big money FA
C- Patrick
RG- Jenkins
RT- Jones

Backups- mid round C, vet FA G/T flex, then let Leatherwood and all Poles' 2022 picks fight out for the last backup spots.
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Patrick is being paid like a back up (that he should be) and only has 1 year left. I don't see any reason to think he can't be our back up C. If Poles sees an upgrade, Patrick's $4 million salary shouldn't be a deterrent.

Jones was a 5th round pick, whose been mediocre. I'd give him the chance to compete, but there's no reason he should be handed a spot. If he doesn't improve and win a job, then his experience should make him a nice swing T.

If they don't get Carter rd 1, I'd probably be looking at one of the LT prospects. They should be targeting 2 starter quality OL in FA as well. I'd like to see a C in rd 3-4. The OL should be solved this offseason.
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
Patrick is being paid like a back up (that he should be) and only has 1 year left. I don't see any reason to think he can't be our back up C. If Poles sees an upgrade, Patrick's $4 million salary shouldn't be a deterrent.
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I completely agree. He can start or back up, but that doesn’t change the fact that we need to draft some talent here. There is an injured local kid that they drafted last year. I’m not sure he’s the answer, so I still want at least a day 2 pick on a C.
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Jones was a 5th round pick, whose been mediocre. I'd give him the chance to compete, but there's no reason he should be handed a spot. If he doesn't improve and win a job, then his experience should make him a nice swing T.
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So, a 5th round pick is mediocre, already? That’s fucking awesome. I concur. Let him get stronger and leave him at LT for next year. We don’t need to draft a LT.

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at about the 48 minute mark.
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If they don't get Carter rd 1, I'd probably be looking at one of the LT prospects. They should be targeting 2 starter quality OL in FA as well. I'd like to see a C in rd 3-4. The OL should be solved this offseason.
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If we don’t get Carter, I’m not opposed to grabbing best Lineman available, either D or O. There is nothing wrong with going Thunderdome on them to see who gets what.

I would like to see at least two big name, big price FA brought in on the OL. While I don’t believe Leatherwood’s a lock for LG, I’d like to see it work out that way.

Optimally, we trade back for a QB hungry team and get 3 first rounders, 2 2nd’s, and 2 3rds.
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
Patrick is being paid like a back up (that he should be) and only has 1 year left. I don't see any reason to think he can't be our back up C. If Poles sees an upgrade, Patrick's $4 million salary shouldn't be a deterrent.

Jones was a 5th round pick, whose been mediocre. I'd give him the chance to compete, but there's no reason he should be handed a spot. If he doesn't improve and win a job, then his experience should make him a nice swing T.

If they don't get Carter rd 1, I'd probably be looking at one of the LT prospects. They should be targeting 2 starter quality OL in FA as well. I'd like to see a C in rd 3-4. The OL should be solved this offseason.
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Patrick has a cap hit of 5.3 next year with only 1.4 on the books if cut. So stay or go I don’t think its prohibitive either way.
 
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Chicagosports89 said:
Patrick is being paid like a back up (that he should be) and only has 1 year left. I don't see any reason to think he can't be our back up C. If Poles sees an upgrade, Patrick's $4 million salary shouldn't be a deterrent.

Jones was a 5th round pick, whose been mediocre. I'd give him the chance to compete, but there's no reason he should be handed a spot. If he doesn't improve and win a job, then his experience should make him a nice swing T.

If they don't get Carter rd 1, I'd probably be looking at one of the LT prospects. They should be targeting 2 starter quality OL in FA as well. I'd like to see a C in rd 3-4. The OL should be solved this offseason.
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I mean, yeah, I'd love to have players better than Patrick and Jones, and Whitehair and Borom/Reiff. But realistically speaking, they aren't going to replace all 4 of those guys (and we still aren't 100% how they feel about Jenkins, he could still be traded. But they certainly are going to start Jones at 1 of the OT spots. He was Poles 1st handpicked OL and he was basically handed the starting LT job before camp started, and hasn't even had to look over his shoulder despite being similar or worse to Borom, who has been benched.

Patrick is more likely to be a backup, or cast aside as his salary increases, but this is the same team that saw enough from him that they took their best, most talented OL off the field for 1/2 the snaps so he could play as the only OL with experience in the offense. They brought him in to play C, and he hasn't gotten a chance to play it because of injury, I'd be willing to guess they are going to give him a chance to play it when healthy, either this or next year. He also never had to look over his shoulder for his job, despite being Mustipher level bad.
 
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iueyedoc said:
3 inches shorter, more stout and heavier than ESB ever could dream of being, but I agree all just speculation.

Now, moving on, if my aunt had balls would she be my uncle?
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Burton was 224 coming out and ESB was 214. So basically 10 pounds difference and the 3 inches of height actually helps ESB if he moved to tight end. The comment was if ESB added 15-20 pounds he would be similar in size to Burton which was more a reference to weight as the height thing would be to his advantage not Burton's. A 6-5, 230-235 pound TE would be bigger than a 6-2, 230-235 pound TE.

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I don't think it's a likely thing but it's probably the only way ESB would get some significant PT on a good team.
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Exactly, acting like it is impossible for a 6-5 guy to put on 15-20 pounds is a bit weird. Thought @iueyedoc was an eye doctor not a male body structure specialist.
 
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The best NFL free agents next year: We stacked the top 25 and predicted which will find a new team

Who could be available in the offseason? We listed the NFL's 25 best pending free agents -- including Lamar Jackson -- and then predicted which of them will re-sign with their current teams.
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1. Lamar Jackson, QB, Baltimore Ravens​

2022 salary: $23.1 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

2. Orlando Brown Jr., OT, Kansas City Chiefs
2022 salary: $16.7 million
Age entering 2023 season: 27

Why he could get paid: Brown is a massive performer in the run game at 6-foot-8 and 340 pounds and utilizes his frame to compensate for average foot and body quickness in pass protection. This season, Brown has registered a pass block win rate of 89.6% when blocking for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. -- Bowen

Will he re-sign in Kansas City? The Chiefs invested a lot of draft capital in acquiring Brown from the Ravens, so I expect them to re-sign him to a big-money deal -- even though he's probably not a top-five offensive tackle in the NFL. -- Tannenbaum

3. Elgton Jenkins, OT/G, Green Bay Packers
2022 salary: $4.7 million
Age entering 2023 season: 27

4. Saquon Barkley, RB, New York Giants​

2022 salary: $7.2 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

5. Marcus Davenport, DE, New Orleans Saints
2022 salary: $3.0 million
Age entering 2023 season: 27

6. Roquan Smith, ILB, Baltimore Ravens
2022 salary: $6.6 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

7. Tom Brady, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2022 salary: $11.9 million
Age entering 2023 season: 46

8. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, San Francisco 49ers​

2022 salary: $14.7 million
Age entering 2023 season: 31

9. Javon Hargrave, DT, Philadelphia Eagles
2022 salary: $17.8 million
Age entering 2023 season: 30

just drafted Jordan Davis in April, but Hargrave is an extremely productive interior pass-rusher. Look at the impact he's having on this defense. The Eagles will re-sign the veteran. -- Tannenbaum

10. Tony Pollard, RB, Dallas Cowboys
2022 salary: $1.1 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

11. Geno Smith, QB, Seattle Seahawks​

2022 salary: $3.5 million
Age entering 2023 season: 32

12. Dalton Schultz, TE, Dallas Cowboys​

2022 salary: $10.9 million
Age entering 2023 season: 27

13. Lavonte David, ILB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2022 salary: $14.8 million
Age entering 2023 season: 33

14. Jessie Bates III, S, Cincinnati Bengals
2022 salary: $12.9 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

15. James Bradberry, CB, Philadelphia Eagles​

2022 salary: $2.3 million
Age entering 2023 season: 30

16. Josh Jacobs, RB, Las Vegas Raiders​

2022 salary: $3.8 million
Age entering 2023 season: 25

17. Jordan Poyer, S, Buffalo Bills
2022 salary: $10.8 million
Age entering 2023 season: 32


18. Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Indianapolis Colts​

2022 salary: $13.0 million
Age entering 2023 season: 28


19. Daniel Jones, QB, New York Giants
2022 salary: $8.4 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

20. Jack Conklin, OT, Cleveland Browns
2022 salary: $11.0 million
Age entering 2023 season: 29
Why he could get paid: A powerful right tackle in the run game, Conklin utilizes technique to overcome limited foot speed and range. He has a 91.6% pass block win rate this season, putting him on pace for his fourth straight year above 90%, and his 76.4% run block win rate is among the top 25 tackles. Conklin is an ideal fit for a run-heavy system that utilizes play-action protection. -- Bowen

Will he re-sign in Cleveland? He's no doubt a good player, and the Browns lean heavily on the run behind Nick Chubb. But Conklin lacks durability and hasn't played a full season since 2019. Time for Cleveland to move on and let James Hudson III replace him. -- Tannenbaum

21. Jakobi Meyers, WR, New England Patriots
2022 salary: $4.0 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

22. Nate Davis, G, Tennessee Titans​

2022 salary: $3.0 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

23. Jamel Dean, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2022 salary: $2.8 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26


24. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
2022 salary: $2.9 million
Age entering 2023 season: 26

25. Mike Gesicki, TE, Miami Dolphins
2022 salary: $10.9 million
Age entering 2023 season: 27

Why he could get paid: The target volume is down for Gesicki in Mike McDaniel's offense, as he is seeing 3.7 targets per game as opposed to 6.5 last season. But the 6-foot-6 tight end previously recorded three straight seasons of 50 or more receptions and has twice cracked 700 receiving yards. Gesicki is a long, flex target who can work the seams and the intermediate areas of the field, and he presents red zone scoring upside. -- Bowen

Will he re-sign in Miami? I love the massive catch radius ... but I can't see Miami bringing Gesicki back. The Dolphins need to sign a tight end with more blocking ability. -- Tannenbaum
 
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