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[gallagher]

QB1

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593641610616643584

Outbid again!!

 

[BradyJay]

They still make football cards??!

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

He's got a legit chance solely because of his work with Fields and the offensive production the last month. If the Bears offense keeps producing, he's going to get a head coaching job this offseason or next. NFL is an offensive league and everybody wants that next Sean McVay type.

I think Getsy getting a HC gig is interesting. His offense has taken off when he has called more designed QB runs. At the same time his offense looks great from a strong run game and broken plays which Fields turns nothing into something. The passing game has been below average.

So if Getsy does get a HC gig somewhere in the next couple years, does it have to be with a team that has a running QB? I think he has to improve the passing game before a team will consider him as their next HC. But that could happen in the next few years as well

 

[mecha]

I think Getsy getting a HC gig is interesting. His offense has taken off when he has called more designed QB runs. At the same time his offense looks great from a strong run game and broken plays which Fields turns nothing into something. The passing game has been below average.

So if Getsy does get a HC gig somewhere in the next couple years, does it have to be with a team that has a running QB? I think he has to improve the passing game before a team will consider him as their next HC. But that could happen in the next few years as well

I mean he went from Rodgers' QB coach to this. I don't think "running QB" is his identity. it just means he's not a square peg in round hole dickhead like Nagy was; he adapts to the players. I also think he has a lot more to do before he gets the consideration, but stranger things have happened. not every coach can be Tom Moore, I guess.

 

[rawdawg]

I get what you say.

But why shall we move a good prospect just to RT to get another prospect when we have money once a hundred.

Also I wouldn't cut Whitehair. You will have little dead cap, sure, but his replacement costs, too. Makes no sense from money side. Then you would need a better player which is more expansive and talent.

Getting talent outside of draft (so I understood you) means every time better player = expansive.

I like the idea of C and RT in free agency, because so far Patrick shows me nothing but meh at guard.

Because prospects are good. If you draft well, a good 21-23 year old that is super cheap for 4 years is much preferable to paying a guy into his early 30s double digit millions. And to that point, you don't HAVE to spend on Whitehair's replacement. You can draft a guy and sign a RT. I just happen to prefer drafting tackles (especially when you have a top 10 pick, when a guard will most likely be a 2nd round pick at best, in this class). But good, franchise altering OTs aren't typically found in free agency. (I know everyone wants Orlando Brown Jr, but he's not that good nor is he a good fit.). There's not many superstars at guard. There's a ton of them at tackle. The best way to get a superstar on the OL is to draft a tackle high and find guards that are above average players and really good scheme fits.

Also we gotta stop putting ourselves in this. It doesn't matter what Patrick has shown YOU, because YOU won't be consulted to make a decision. The decision vs. LG or C comes down to do you want to pay at 31 year old 14Mil toward your cap or do you want to pay a 30 year old 51mil toward your cap? Neither is probably going to be on the team in 2024, so might as well go with the younger, cheaper option that you handpicked as a GM as a perfect fit for the offense. It doesn't matter that they have a whole bunch of money to spend. They had a whole bunch when they decided not to give Roquan a bunch of it. It's still about being smart with the cap, and smart move is to not pay a mediocre player way more than he is worth.

 

[rawdawg]

Yeah, I don't think Getsy is going anywhere just yet. I think teams will wait to see how Fields develops as a passer before pulling the trigger on him.

I don't buy the Gabriel quote that guys don't get HC jobs after 1 year as an OC/playcaller. Sure Daboll had to wait for years, but Mike McDaniel was a 1-year OC that didn't call plays before he got the job at Miami. Zac Taylor was just a QB coach (with 1 year OC experience in 2016) before the Bengals job. Arthur Smith had 2 years experience. Kevin O'Connell 2 years as OC, with no playcalling. LaFleur had 2 years at OC in 2 different places, only called plays for 1 year. So, as usual Gabriel doesn't know what he's talking about, but I still wouldn't expect Getsy gone just yet. After 2023 though, he's for sure going to be gone.

 

[remydat]

Because prospects are good. If you draft well, a good 21-23 year old that is super cheap for 4 years is much preferable to paying a guy into his early 30s double digit millions. And to that point, you don't HAVE to spend on Whitehair's replacement. You can draft a guy and sign a RT. I just happen to prefer drafting tackles (especially when you have a top 10 pick, when a guard will most likely be a 2nd round pick at best, in this class). But good, franchise altering OTs aren't typically found in free agency. (I know everyone wants Orlando Brown Jr, but he's not that good nor is he a good fit.). There's not many superstars at guard. There's a ton of them at tackle. The best way to get a superstar on the OL is to draft a tackle high and find guards that are above average players and really good scheme fits.

Also we gotta stop putting ourselves in this. It doesn't matter what Patrick has shown YOU, because YOU won't be consulted to make a decision. The decision vs. LG or C comes down to do you want to pay at 31 year old 14Mil toward your cap or do you want to pay a 30 year old 51mil toward your cap? Neither is probably going to be on the team in 2024, so might as well go with the younger, cheaper option that you handpicked as a GM as a perfect fit for the offense. It doesn't matter that they have a whole bunch of money to spend. They had a whole bunch when they decided not to give Roquan a bunch of it. It's still about being smart with the cap, and smart move is to not pay a mediocre player way more than he is worth.

Actually the decision is whether you incur a cap hit of 14.1m for Whitehair to play for you or 8.3m to play for someone else + whatever you have to pay his replacement. So the incremental difference is 5.8m.

He is ranked 24th (there are 64 starting guards) and has given up 6 pressures and 0 sacks. That might just be worth it to keep him around if he finishes the year strong.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Actually the decision is whether you incur a cap hit of 14.1m for Whitehair to play for you or 8.3m to play for someone else + whatever you have to pay his replacement. So the incremental difference is 5.8m

Stfu Remy

 

[remydat]

Stfu Remy

No!

 

[rawdawg]

Actually the decision is whether you incur a cap hit of 14.1m for Whitehair to play for you or 8.3m to play for someone else + whatever you have to pay his replacement. So the incremental difference is 5.8m.

He is ranked 24th (there are 64 starting guards) and had given up 6 pressures and 0 sacks.

He's also missed 4 games, 2 years after missing 3 games, 1 year before turning 31. And no, teams don't think like that. Or else, the Bears wouldn't be paying Robert Quinn all but the minimum to play for the Eagles. He's clearly not a 14.1Mil level guard. He's not a part of this team's future. They can replace him with someone who is part of this team's future, which is most important. Lucas Patrick may not be part of the team's future either, but he's also not 14.1M of its present.

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

Because prospects are good. If you draft well, a good 21-23 year old that is super cheap for 4 years is much preferable to paying a guy into his early 30s double digit millions. And to that point, you don't HAVE to spend on Whitehair's replacement. You can draft a guy and sign a RT. I just happen to prefer drafting tackles (especially when you have a top 10 pick, when a guard will most likely be a 2nd round pick at best, in this class). But good, franchise altering OTs aren't typically found in free agency. (I know everyone wants Orlando Brown Jr, but he's not that good nor is he a good fit.). There's not many superstars at guard. There's a ton of them at tackle. The best way to get a superstar on the OL is to draft a tackle high and find guards that are above average players and really good scheme fits.

Also we gotta stop putting ourselves in this. It doesn't matter what Patrick has shown YOU, because YOU won't be consulted to make a decision. The decision vs. LG or C comes down to do you want to pay at 31 year old 14Mil toward your cap or do you want to pay a 30 year old 51mil toward your cap? Neither is probably going to be on the team in 2024, so might as well go with the younger, cheaper option that you handpicked as a GM as a perfect fit for the offense. It doesn't matter that they have a whole bunch of money to spend. They had a whole bunch when they decided not to give Roquan a bunch of it. It's still about being smart with the cap, and smart move is to not pay a mediocre player way more than he is worth.

As I wrote, for me it was not clear what you mean with talent. I prefer drafting before signing in FA, too. But you don't have infinite picks and cutting Whitehair just open new hole and the Bears already are in must to need to draft his replacement.

In my mind, singing good level (elite will not go on free agency) on C and RT and then look what falls to draft. Singing oline doesn't mean not to draft them,especially if you want to improve your line.

 

[rawdawg]

As I wrote, for me it was not clear what you mean with talent. I prefer drafting before signing in FA, too. But you don't have infinite picks and cutting Whitehair just open new hole and the Bears already are in must to need to draft his replacement.

In my mind, singing good level (elite will not go on free agency) on C and RT and then look what falls to draft. Singing oline doesn't mean not to draft them,especially if you want to improve your line.

I get what you are saying, but I think everyone is looking at things too black and white. It's not about whether Whitehair is good or not. It's about whether he's worth what he's set to get paid. And he's not. It's not about creating a new hole, because the Bears have holes all over the roster. It's not about what they have the cap space to afford, because they still have to be smart about it. It's still about not allocating too much money to players who aren't worth what they are getting paid. Robert Quinn isn't here anymore because he was making more than he was giving them on the field and was at the age where he wasn't a part of the team's future. Whitehair fits that exact same description.

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

I get what you are saying, but I think everyone is looking at things too black and white. It's not about whether Whitehair is good or not. It's about whether he's worth what he's set to get paid. And he's not. It's not about creating a new hole, because the Bears have holes all over the roster. It's not about what they have the cap space to afford, because they still have to be smart about it. It's still about not allocating too much money to players who aren't worth what they are getting paid. Robert Quinn isn't here anymore because he was making more than he was giving them on the field and was at the age where he wasn't a part of the team's future. Whitehair fits that exact same description.

Understand he's not worth it. But get you a replacement for about 6m as Remy mentioned?

Sometimes you have to take what you have. And unfortunately we still have that old contract.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Understand he's not worth it. But get you a replacement for about 6m as Remy mentioned?

Sometimes you have to take what you have. And unfortunately we still have that old contract.

Getting a replacement for $6 million really isn't relevant. The Bears have a lot of flexibility to make moves for the future this offseason. Cutting whitehair allows an extra $6 million towards his replacement or other useful pieces

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

Getting a replacement for $6 million really isn't relevant. The Bears have a lot of flexibility to make moves for the future this offseason. Cutting whitehair allows an extra $6 million towards his replacement or other useful pieces

But now money is irrelevant?

I think we won't agree in next time. ?
However, should Bears cut him then I understand that move. Is just not what I would doing. But what do I know ?‍

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Just meant @rawdawg missed who send the post. Sorry for that

 

[rawdawg]

Understand he's not worth it. But get you a replacement for about 6m as Remy mentioned?

Sometimes you have to take what you have. And unfortunately we still have that old contract.

You don't have to take what you have when you have 120Mil in cap space. They had to take what they had this year when he had an 11M cap hit and no cap savings from cutting him. They don't have to take what they have when they have a ton of money and can get some savings.

Do you guys not know how the cap works? Nobody says, "oh well, only gain 5.8M in cap space by cutting him, might as well keep him". Like literally every team every year cuts guys who aren't worth what their contract pays them with less in savings.

 

[rawdawg]

But now money is irrelevant?

I think we won't agree in next time. ?
However, should Bears cut him then I understand that move. Is just not what I would doing. But what do I know ?‍

?

Let me put it this way. The Bears are paying Eddie Goldman 5.1Mil this year. They only saved about 6Mil or so by cutting him this year. At one brief point in time, they replaced him signing Larry Ogunjobi to a 3 year 40Mil contract. Way more than they saved by cutting Goldman. The only relevance the money has is what Whitehair would make on the team vs. how much you'd save by him being off the team.

You can pay Whitehair 14.1Mil to start 12 games with average play at LG. Or you can find an upgrade at LG and have an extra 6Mil to do it with.

 

[dabears70]

Another thread has been donged

It was already Fattytimed a couple pages back but you guys are blind to those posts

 

[Anytime23]

It was already Fattytimed a couple pages back but you guys are blind to those posts

It’s a new day. It’s the weekend.

You’re already starting again. Cut it out!

 

[Nuremberg Bear]

It was already Fattytimed a couple pages back but you guys are blind to those posts

F*** y** or sh** *p