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[Nuremberg Bear]

Getting a replacement for $6 million really isn't relevant. The Bears have a lot of flexibility to make moves for the future this offseason. Cutting whitehair allows an extra $6 million towards his replacement or other useful pieces

Would it make sense to cut whitehair after the draft? Then this would be smart (but not to the player).

Don't know exact the cap hit for him.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I mean he went from Rodgers' QB coach to this. I don't think "running QB" is his identity. it just means he's not a square peg in round hole dickhead like Nagy was; he adapts to the players. I also think he has a lot more to do before he gets the consideration, but stranger things have happened. not every coach can be Tom Moore, I guess.

I completely agree with everything you said. I do think he will have more than one identity but it hasn’t been shown yet. But that’s largely due to the poor offensive line and weapons. Right now the Bears offense is getting noticed because of Fields legs. However, Getsys playcalling for the moment has been pretty damn good. I think in 2 years Getsy will get hc looks..

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Would it make sense to cut whitehair after the draft? Then this would be smart (but not to the player).

Don't know exact the cap hit for him.

I would cut him whenever.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Would it make sense to cut whitehair after the draft? Then this would be smart (but not to the player).

Don't know exact the cap hit for him.

I'm probably alone in this but I'd actually keep him regardless for 2023. I'd rather they focus on addressing other areas of the team first and look to upgrade from him in the 2024 offseason (or you let him play out his contract then walk). The Bears are going to need an entire front 7 on defense, plus another TE, WR, RB and likely at least one OT and C. I'm also hoping for another CB. I don't want the Bears to blow all their cap space this offseason with "splash" moves but rather to build it smart. If they have to overpay for shorter term deals, fine by me. Just avoid the huge, franchise crippling long-term, overspends and I'm happy.

 

[MDB111™]

It was already Fattytimed a couple pages back but you guys are blind to those posts

I don't even know who Fattytime is man.

 

[dentfan]

Let me put it this way. The Bears are paying Eddie Goldman 5.1Mil this year. They only saved about 6Mil or so by cutting him this year. At one brief point in time, they replaced him signing Larry Ogunjobi to a 3 year 40Mil contract. Way more than they saved by cutting Goldman. The only relevance the money has is what Whitehair would make on the team vs. how much you'd save by him being off the team.

You can pay Whitehair 14.1Mil to start 12 games with average play at LG. Or you can find an upgrade at LG and have an extra 6Mil to do it with.

Getting a replacement for $6 million really isn't relevant. The Bears have a lot of flexibility to make moves for the future this offseason. Cutting whitehair allows an extra $6 million towards his replacement or other useful pieces

You don't have to take what you have when you have 120Mil in cap space. They had to take what they had this year when he had an 11M cap hit and no cap savings from cutting him. They don't have to take what they have when they have a ton of money and can get some savings.

Do you guys not know how the cap works? Nobody says, "oh well, only gain 5.8M in cap space by cutting him, might as well keep him". Like literally every team every year cuts guys who aren't worth what their contract pays them with less in savings.

There’s a lot of food for thought here. I’m not a cap guy. I’m more of watch dudes play and guess type of guy. I’m not sure we need to sign a dude to play LG. We have two dudes we drafted and one we signed waiting in the wings. Well, we had two, LA signed one. The other guy was a point guard who had actual college interest before switching to football and G. The other is Leatherwood. So, I’m going to lean towards the part of your argument where you postulate signing good players and letting them win out. I see no reason to cut Whitehair. At worst, he comes off the bench. Yeah, it’d be expensive, but we, as you pointed out, are flush with cash, so **** it.

Signing a good C who can maybe also play G and a RT is imperative. At this point in the NFL, there’s a lot of argument to be made that the skill sets of a RT and LT are the same. I don’t believe it, but it can be argued that if Jones could succeed at LT then he could at right. If you ascribe to it, then, sure, draft the best T and winner take all — actually, competition should be how it is, anyway.

Regardless of keeping Whitehair or not, I think we can agree that the line — O & D — is the top priority heading into the off season.

 

[chi]

Whats the word on Andrew Janocko? Is he getting praised for the work he is doing with Fields? Or is it more of Fields being Fields with Getsy's play calling? Could he be a canidate for an OC promotion?

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Whats the word on Andrew Janocko? Is he getting praised for the work he is doing with Fields? Or is it more of Fields being Fields with Getsy's play calling? Could he be a canidate for an OC promotion?

Good question. I haven't heard his name mentioned much but then again, I don't really consume sports media anymore outside of the actual games. At least on twitter, he's not mentioned much but obviously that's just twitter.

In a perfect world, you'd hope that he does well enough as the QB coach to then inherit the OC spot if Getsy gets hired for a HC job any time soon. That would make for a smoother transition. I'll be interested to hear from others who are more informed than I.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594035615636619265

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594027727731847169

 

[Dejo]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593998031107473408

 

[Dejo]

Interesting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593683007918972937

 

[Bearly]

He's also missed 4 games, 2 years after missing 3 games, 1 year before turning 31. And no, teams don't think like that. Or else, the Bears wouldn't be paying Robert Quinn all but the minimum to play for the Eagles. He's clearly not a 14.1Mil level guard. He's not a part of this team's future. They can replace him with someone who is part of this team's future, which is most important. Lucas Patrick may not be part of the team's future either, but he's also not 14.1M of its present.

Of course teams think like that but of course you also want to replace an aging G. It's not just the dollar amount but they're not moving him for something worse and more expensive. They cut him if they feel they have a young replacement that can play to a similar standard and guess what? That will be cheaper than the $6m replacement cost.

I've always predicted getting cut would be Whitehair's scenario due to an inflated salary but you still need a a near replacement level player to make that worthwhile. That and the Bear have a ton of $ plus the cap going up lifts all boats.

 

[Nelly]

The bears have much bigger fish to fry this off-season than cutting their second best offensive lineman... A guy who's a veteran leader no less. If they think leatherwood can step in and be Jenkins-esque then great, otherwise I sit tight there and save that money next offseason.

 

[SugarWalls]

Of course teams think like that but of course you also want to replace an aging G. It's not just the dollar amount but they're not moving him for something worse and more expensive. They cut him if they feel they have a young replacement that can play to a similar standard and guess what? That will be cheaper than the $6m replacement cost.

I've always predicted getting cut would be Whitehair's scenario due to an inflated salary but you still need a a near replacement level player to make that worthwhile. That and the Bear have a ton of $ plus the cap going up lifts all boats.

I wouldn’t be surprised either way.

Would it really hurt to hold onto whitehair for one more year and then replace him? The team has enough holes as it is, including the OL at center and RT, and depending on how you feel about jones at LT.

Maybe they hold onto whitehair and see if leatherwood can play his way into his spot next year rather than signing in FA considering they have to upgrade C and likely RT as well.

 

[HearshotKDS]

I suspect Bears keep Whitehair for next year but draft a guard in the 3rd/4th and hope he is ready to take the reins in '24.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Another thread has been donged

I think he prefers to call it “pegged”

 

[mecha]

I completely agree with everything you said. I do think he will have more than one identity but it hasn’t been shown yet. But that’s largely due to the poor offensive line and weapons. Right now the Bears offense is getting noticed because of Fields legs. However, Getsys playcalling for the moment has been pretty damn good. I think in 2 years Getsy will get hc looks..

yeah this team is still baking in the oven. it's ok dudes, we'll get our cake and eat it too someday. maybe

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594099255844786176

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594106199649112064

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594097040262279168

 

[remydat]

He's also missed 4 games, 2 years after missing 3 games, 1 year before turning 31. And no, teams don't think like that. Or else, the Bears wouldn't be paying Robert Quinn all but the minimum to play for the Eagles. He's clearly not a 14.1Mil level guard. He's not a part of this team's future. They can replace him with someone who is part of this team's future, which is most important. Lucas Patrick may not be part of the team's future either, but he's also not 14.1M of its present.

He has missed 6 games in his entire career ie played 101 out of 107 possible games. That is as durable as you can find in the NFL. That ship won't sail.

We traded Quinn and got a 4th. What you are suggesting is cutting Whitehair. Obviously if someone is willing to trade for him I make that deal.

Again not even saying we should keep him. I am saying your thought process is flawed as you left out the fact he has an 8.3m dead cap hit and are making an injury argument for someone that has played 95% of all possible games.

Let me put it this way. The Bears are paying Eddie Goldman 5.1Mil this year. They only saved about 6Mil or so by cutting him this year. At one brief point in time, they replaced him signing Larry Ogunjobi to a 3 year 40Mil contract. Way more than they saved by cutting Goldman. The only relevance the money has is what Whitehair would make on the team vs. how much you'd save by him being off the team.

You can pay Whitehair 14.1Mil to start 12 games with average play at LG. Or you can find an upgrade at LG and have an extra 6Mil to do it with.

Goldman was terrible. He ranked 124 out of 129 interior DL in 2021. Whitehair ranks 24th which is above average. These are just bad arguments. You are starting with a flawed premise that Whitehair is bad or just average and going from there.

This team will likely compete for a playoff spot next year so this idea you need young players everywhere is flawed. It is good to have productive vets that young players can learn from.

Have no problem moving on from him. Just hope Poles has a better thought process than what you are advocating here.