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It is a lazy narrative because it ignores all the QBs that have made the Super Bowl and pretends if Wilson had 4more rushes he would not have won the SB in 2018 or if he had 19 less rushes in 2014 that interception would be completed. It is just an arbitrary line that doesn't mean shit. Wilson could just as easily had 118 rushes in 2013 and 96 in 2014 and nothing would change in terms of whether they won or not. In fact, if they had called a QB run in 2014 instead of a pass he would probably have 2 Super Bowl wins. It also ignores the small sample size issue and the fact those guys winning or losing had nothing to do with their rush attempts. Correlation does not equal causation.
Further I doubt most SB winners have been surgical passers. I suspect a lot of Super Bowl winners were also game managers or otherwise unremarkable players who caught lightening in a bottle. Even Brady was not a surgical passer early on and more of a game manager. There are probably a lot more Dilfers, Simms, Eli Mannings, Nick Foles, Joe Flaccos of the world than there are great passers that won. Would be interesting to see for example how many top 5 QBs actually won the SB in a given year. I suspect for the most part it is good overall teams that win not necessarily QBs. Otherwise you wouldn't get Tom Brady losing 3 Super Bowls to Eli Manning and Nick Foles.
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..thanks for this. YouTube slippin again smh.
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It's all rather relative as off script is broken and where big plays come from when you have the associated catchers due to the extra time a DB needs to cover but good Ds or less good catchers need timing routes etc. You can call them an exception but I think it's more that talent prevails.
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Still a team game. Mitch may have been able to win in place of Brady when TB played KC.
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Well I think this is where I was headed as well. What matters is talent and putting it to good use not play style. You can win any number of ways in the NFL so long as you have the right talent for your play style.
Agreed. Again why I say it is a lazy narrative. It is correlation not causation as no evidence 4 more rushes would have meant Wilson loses in 2013 or 19 less rushes means Wilson wins in 2014.
Likewise CK didnt lose because he was a running QB. He lost because he scored 31 but the D gave up 34. So the 100 attempts is just irrelevant.
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Teams in the 1st Round and where they stand at drafting QB
DiscussionHouston Yes (Mills isn't the answer)
Chicago No (Fields)
Detroit Yes (Sit behind Goff)
Seattle Yes (Sit behind Geno)
Pittsburgh No (Pickett)
Carolina Maybe (They need consistency)
Philadelphia No (Hurts)
Arizona No (Kyler)
Green Bay Maybe (Love waiting though)
Las Vegas Maybe (Pending Carr)
Houston Yes (Pending 1st pick)
Jacksonville No (Lawrence)
Detroit Yes (Pending 1st pick)
Indianapolis Yes (Sit behind Ryan)
Atlanta Maybe (Ridder waiting though)
Seattle Yes (Pending 1st pick)
LA Chargers No (Herbert)
New England No (Jones&Zappe)
Tampa Bay Maybe (Pending Brady)
Washington Maybe (Pending Heinicke)
Baltimore Maybe (Pending Jackson)
NY Jets Maybe (Pending White)
Cincinnati No (Burrow)
NY Giants Maybe (If Jones leaves)
Denver No (Chef Wilson)
Tennessee Maybe (Malik waiting though)
Dallas No (Dak)
Buffalo No (Allen)
Miami No (No pick)
Minnesota No (Cousins)
Kansas City No (Mahomes)
Philadelphia No (Hurts)
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The interesting ones to me are the ones that have pretty strong teams but are maybe a QB away. Basically, teams that think they are where Pace thought the Bears were last year.
Washington is going to make the playoffs for the 2nd time in 3 years, without a QB. Heineke is solid, but he's also a FA after this year. He and Payne are really the only starters they stand to lose. They have the D. They have the weapons. They have the OL with strong depth. I thought they and the Colts really dropped the ball by not doing that trade for Fields that the Bears did. Instead they each gave up picks for Carson Wentz. LOL.
Seattle is interesting too. They got bookend tackles and CBs in the last draft and typically draft very well. They have the weapons in DK and Lockett. Geno is a FA, I believe. I think they gotta bring him back, but they also have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds and pretty much can get wherever they want to pick in this draft. They don't seem to need the depth/talent to make all of the 6 top 75 picks they will have.
Detroit honestly, is starting to put together a pretty talented team as well. Great OL. Good pair of RBs. St. Brown is a stud, Jameson Williams potentially is. The defense has some talent, led by Hutchinson and Okudah if healthy.
I think Tennessee has to give Ridder a shot. They probably aren't good enough across the board to make the move up from playoffs to top 5 pick for a QB. Atlanta isn't good enough to risk it all for a QB either. If one fell to them, I could see it, but I don't think they trade up.
Carolina, I would say, is a definite for a QB. Mayfield and Darnold are FAs. They aren't terrible talent wise. Got some decent WRs. OL is OK. Need a RB now that McCaffery is gone, but deep FA class. The defense has some pieces with Burns, Brown, Horn and Chinn. It would be smart for them to trade up to develop their own guy instead of trying to fix someone else's failed QB.
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Why does this fool have the Bears drafting 2nd? Does he not understand everything changes after the bye week? Bears will also win at least one more game, probably ONLY one, but almost can gurantee it.
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Tough slate coming up and if no Fields + this D, anything is possible.
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