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[Dejo]

I want like 9 of these guys on D

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1604929791144198144

Wild

 

[botfly10]

Anytime23 is good people. And I’ll let him defend himself but I definitely consider him a football fan.

We just disagree on radio shows apparently.

*shrug*

Not even knocking him. Just pointing out how he seems more interested in fan reactions than the things they react to

 

[dentfan]

Skoronski is not small. He's 6'4" and 315.

Just stop.

Compared to the average human being, sure.

Compared to a starting LT, MiniMe ‘Ski:
- lacks length
- has short arms
- has slow feet
- is short

People legitimately are saying he’s a top ten pick when he doesn’t have the physical attributes. The dude has good technique, but you have to know he’s at least a couple of inches shorter than most LT in the league. Don’t forget, when he’s measured at the combine, he’s probably going to be even shorter and lighter. So, there’s that, too.

Don’t get mad at me for pointing out what the emperor’s wearing. So, yeah, in my opinion, move him all the way inside and let him cook. Let another team burn a high pick on a guy they made a movie about a long time ago, but it starred a horse…

 

[legendxofxlink]

Just stop.

Compared to the average human being, sure.

Compared to a starting LT, MiniMe ‘Ski:
- lacks length
- has short arms
- has slow feet
- is short

People legitimately are saying he’s a top ten pick when he doesn’t have the physical attributes. The dude has good technique, but you have to know he’s at least a couple of inches shorter than most LT in the league. Don’t forget, when he’s measured at the combine, he’s probably going to be even shorter and lighter. So, there’s that, too.

Don’t get mad at me for pointing out what the emperor’s wearing. So, yeah, in my opinion, move him all the way inside and let him cook. Let another team burn a high pick on a guy they made a movie about a long time ago, but it starred a horse…

There is no OL worthy of a top 10 pick. If Poles trades down from #2 and ends up with a LG or C, that would make this a shit draft. If Poles is wanting another big athletic LT, Paris Johnson would be my pick further down. There is no OL worthy of a top 10 pick. Not a big drop off between the top 5 WR's either. Cedric Tillman might be the best WR in this draft and he's not on the top 3 radar yet. Poles better get 3x 1sts for #2 if that's the case.

 

[dentfan]

There is no OL worthy of a top 10 pick. If Poles trades down from #2 and ends up with a LG or C, that would make this a shit draft. If Poles is wanting another big athletic LT, Paris Johnson would be my pick further down. There is no OL worthy of a top 10 pick. Not a big drop off between the top 5 WR's either. Cedric Tillman might be the best WR in this draft and he's not on the top 3 radar yet. Poles better get 3x 1sts for #2 if that's the case.

This.

The other thing I’ll add is that this is a crazy deep DL class. I’d like to see us pick up more 2nd and 3rd round picks to take more shots at them.

Also, the second round OT look very good with the RTs out of Maryland and Tenn leading the way.

 

[Anytime23]

Ah, it's @Anytime23. See, he is not really a football fan. He is a metafootball fan.

Doesn't have much to offer on the game. Rather, he is interested in fan and media reactions to the game and fan reactions to the media. Spends most of his time critiquing those reactions and opinions rather than actual football.

You either read CCS and can process the information given to you or you can ignore it and be willfully ignorant. Looks like you've chosen the latter.

man, not even trying to be condescending. you gotta get on the podcast scene

there are shows with actual football people in whatever format you want. no more of the radio clown show chasing hot takes and controversy and really anything to drive ratings

God you sound like such a herb. "The podcast scene" lmaoooo
670 has football people on it. Every single show has someone who has been on the Bears beat. These are football people. Are you, a random guy on the internet more of a football guy just because you say so? Or are the only football people those who played in the league? In that case you're listening to what? Jason McKee and Olin Kreutz? Or is it Corey Wooton with a bunch of "not actual football guys"?

 

[Anytime23]

Anytime23 is good people. And I’ll let him defend himself but I definitely consider him a football fan.

We just disagree on radio shows apparently.

Thank you old friend.

 

[bearsfan1977]

So, where do you see us taking those guys? Conklin and Pocic are FA acquisitions right? Skoronski in a trade down in the 1st? I just read an article saying he's a LT?

Conklin is a highly rated RT who will be a FA. Pocic is a FA who has come into his own at C.

Skoronski is the player who is interesting. I wouldn’t take him top 5. Carter is my guy since I think he is a generational talent and would be perfect on the Bears’ DL.

Skoronski is who I would target in a trade down. He has very short arms, but I think he is the best pure blocker in the whole draft class, and I don’t think it’s close. Some people disagree.

 

[dentfan]

Conklin is a highly rated RT who will be a FA. Pocic is a FA who has come into his own at C.

Skoronski is the player who is interesting. I wouldn’t take him top 5. Carter is my guy since I think he is a generational talent and would be perfect on the Bears’ DL.

Carter is possibly the only guy who if Poles takes right away without trading down, I’d be okay with. I would just accept it and go on. Yes, I’d prefer the extra picks, but I’d get it.

Skoronski is who I would target in a trade down. He has very short arms, but I think he is the best pure blocker in the whole draft class, and I don’t think it’s close. Some people disagree.

This.

It isn’t close.

Also, this is why I’d rather put him at IOL, preferably C.

Now, there is an argument to be made that his height is an evolution due to the shorter, long armed, faster pass rushers that are succeeding on the big guys. However, if it were me coaching against him, I’d teach an 6’7” pass rusher outside arm punch high to center line (head, top of head, just below the jaw) draw the two arms, high swim rip to toss, rinse, wash, repeat. Those short arms will be a liability. So, while I acknowledge the validity to the arguments for Skoronski, he just isn’t worth our top pick. Maybe another team, but not ours.

 

[dennehy]

Being tall isn't an intrinsic advantage for OL. It's just that taller people tend to have longer arms and can carry more weight without losing athleticism.

Arm length is also a spectrum. There are lots of good OTs with arms under 34' but few with arms under 33' and none under 32.5' or so. It's something that needs to be analyzed alongside other traits, but if his arms are less than 33 not a good chance to be LT.

 

[Dejo]

?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605418875784413184

 

[redgrange19]

Skoronski to me is a sure thing as a guard in the NFL, he will thrive there. The question is, do we trade back to get a guard, when there's a chance we land Elgton Jenkins? Then use that draft capital on pass rush, and WR, positions that aren't very good in free agency? A lot hedges on diva receivers this offseason, as well. Not many thought AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill or Metcalf (obviously he stayed) would come available. Just never know anymore.

 

[dennehy]

Seems like Poles is big on athletic profile and RAS in the draft. I don't think Skoronski is going to test at an elite level there. I also think they love Braxton Jones and will hit OL hard in FA, probably two top guys if they can. Don't think OL is going to be a huge priority in the first round, more like rounds 2-5.

 

[dentfan]

Being tall isn't an intrinsic advantage for OL. It's just that taller people tend to have longer arms and can carry more weight without losing athleticism.

Arm length is also a spectrum. There are lots of good OTs with arms under 34' but few with arms under 33' and none under 32.5' or so. It's something that needs to be analyzed alongside other traits, but if his arms are less than 33 not a good chance to be LT.

Exactly. Right now, his arms are expected to be 32” or below. We won’t get an official number for a while, but, yeah, these are my issues with using our highest pick on him.

The biggest issue for Skoronski’s NFL projection is his lack of size and length. This isn’t the usual “you have to have 33-inch arms to play tackle in the NFL” numbers-based argument. I don’t have an official number for the Northwestern OT’s arm or wingspan, but I don’t need one to see there are some issues here. Longer-armed pass rushers routinely can get into his body. There are multiple examples of Skoronski leaning to compensate for the lack of length, as he struggled to execute reach blocks in the games studied.

Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern | NFL Draft Scouting Report

Northwestern OT Peter Skoronski has a 2023 NFL Draft scouting report that will provide the ultimate litmus test for whether size truly does matter.

www.profootballnetwork.com

The big knock on Skoronski is the length of his arms, which are said to be 32 inches. That is extremely short for a NFL tackle, and so some will project him to guard.

2023 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Peter Skoronski – WalterFootball

walterfootball.com

So, consider the source and all that, but these sources are what we have to work with. So, as I said, don’t get mad at me for pointing out what the emperor is wearing.

 

[remydat]

Cardinals beat writers all believe there is a good chance that he is moved this off-season but likely to a team that is contending. Maybe the Ravens take a swing on him. If he’s not moved, he may be simply cut. They can’t afford him

WTF you talking about? Bears are contending next year. Hopkins helped Watson and Murray. Now it is time to help Fields.

They have the space to create to sign him. But it will be painful

Think the question Bengals have to answer is does it make sense to pay a QB and 2 WRs something like 90-100m a year or do you trust your elite QB and WR (Chase) to be able to incorporate a draft at WR into the offense. If the answer is yes then you move Higgins and reallocate that money and resources to help improve the team elsewhere. An elite QB shouldn't really need you to spend big money on 2 WRs. See Mahomes in KC for example.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Carter is possibly the only guy who if Poles takes right away without trading down, I’d be okay with. I would just accept it and go on. Yes, I’d prefer the extra picks, but I’d get it.


This.

It isn’t close.

Also, this is why I’d rather put him at IOL, preferably C.

Now, there is an argument to be made that his height is an evolution due to the shorter, long armed, faster pass rushers that are succeeding on the big guys. However, if it were me coaching against him, I’d teach an 6’7” pass rusher outside arm punch high to center line (head, top of head, just below the jaw) draw the two arms, high swim rip to toss, rinse, wash, repeat. Those short arms will be a liability. So, while I acknowledge the validity to the arguments for Skoronski, he just isn’t worth our top pick. Maybe another team, but not ours.

Very good points. A lot of it obviously depends on what they do in FA. If they don’t sign a G and feel Whitehair can move on…

If Skoronski can have a Zach Martin like career at G, I would be more than pleased with that pick after a trade down.

 

[dennehy]

Very good points. A lot of it obviously depends on what they do in FA. If they don’t sign a G and feel Whitehair can move on…

If Skoronski can have a Zach Martin like career at G, I would be more than pleased with that pick after a trade down.

I think that's a really good comparison, and I also think an elite G is absolutely worth a top 10 pick.

If you run a mostly zone scheme, there's almost no chance Skoronski isn't an effective player, yet to be determined where, though.

 

[Aesopian]

Not news but awesome picture.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605572549579968513

 

[Pretzel Logic]

Biggsy still the best in my book even if that isn't saying much.