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Lol no
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Just so im clear here... training camp matters if it is qbs looking bad, but not when TE's look good or a qb looks improved, is that right?
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Tell me if I am wrong, but from what I have gathered.
Trubisky was showing promise early on in camp, but has faltered during both the scrimmage and long drive simulation. Summary - he looks good in shorts, but seems to fall apart under pressure.
Foles was not able to keep up with Trubisky early on, and while he looks ok in the simulation and long drive, he is not taking the deep shots to test himself, the defense, or WR. Summary - check down king like he has always been.
The O-line seems to be improved, but how you are going to test that without actual games is beside me. The biggest news coming out of the RB group is that a converted WR is joining them....
The TE group was very good early on, but nearly invisible (no mention of them) in the most recent long drive simulation.
Summary - we are once again going to struggle on offense.
Prediction for our first game September 13th - we come out looking flat for the entire first half going 3 and out on 4 consecutive drives, but our stellar defensive only allows 2 field goals. In the second half we start to get something going but lose the opener 20-13.
Trubisky was showing promise early on in camp, but has faltered during both the scrimmage and long drive simulation. Summary - he looks good in shorts, but seems to fall apart under pressure.
Foles was not able to keep up with Trubisky early on, and while he looks ok in the simulation and long drive, he is not taking the deep shots to test himself, the defense, or WR. Summary - check down king like he has always been.
The O-line seems to be improved, but how you are going to test that without actual games is beside me. The biggest news coming out of the RB group is that a converted WR is joining them....
The TE group was very good early on, but nearly invisible (no mention of them) in the most recent long drive simulation.
Summary - we are once again going to struggle on offense.
Prediction for our first game September 13th - we come out looking flat for the entire first half going 3 and out on 4 consecutive drives, but our stellar defensive only allows 2 field goals. In the second half we start to get something going but lose the opener 20-13.
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Nagy takes part in that talent evaluation. Foles wasnt brought in against Nagy's will.
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Well technically he passed on someone that has surpassed Peyton Manning at this stage of their careers.
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So did Hatley, Angelo, Finks and other GMs before him. Building a top D has never been a problem for Bears GMs but Pace was brought in to build an O which he has failed miserably at.
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See Phil Emory/Trestman/Tucker
Pace was not brought in to build an O.He was brought in to build a Super Bowl contender. He hasn't done that yet, but the team is far from the talent shit hole it was the last few years under Angelo and the Emory years. The team has to take steps to consistent playoff team this season and beyond or Pace should be go.
I was responding to the question., "And what has Pace done? He’s ultimately responsible for the talent on the field. "
But if you just want to keep yapping and nipping at my heels like a chihuahua feel free.
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This team isn’t a super bowl contender because he hasn’t built a league average NFL offense let alone a SB one lmfao
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That seems a lot of conclusions to draw from like 2 individual practices
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No shit Sherlock.
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Cool. Just wanted to make sure you’re aware of how obvious it is when you minimize Pace’s shortcomings but are ready to crucify Nagy.
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Nagy is one of Pace's biggest shortcomings. an average 12-15 ranked ball control offense with this defense is a SB contending team. But Pace's offensive guru, Nagy, completely refuses to understand or except that. If Nagy won't change and Pace can't get him to, they both should go.
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Maybe, but how many teams have worse personnel on the offensive side of the ball than the Bears in the NFC? Like 2 or 3? Washington, New York, and maybe Carolina come to me off the top of my head.
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Problem is this team isn’t built to be ball control. They don’t have the OL for that or a RB for that. Like I said personnel on the offensive side of the ball is embarrassing.
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agree that so far none of the GM's have been able to build a competent offense but pace deserves more credit for building a defense considering fuller was the only player he inherited that was worth anything. if memory serves, angelo had HOF urlacher along with brown and harris maybe more cant remember but thats a hell of a lot more than having 1 CB to work with.
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NFL wide I would say:
WR: I would say they are 10-15
TE: 5-25 huge unknown
Oline: 12-24
RB: 12-24
QB: 10-28
Offensive coaching has been 20-32 and 20 is generous, so not sure whether the players are higher end of those numbers hampered by pathetic coaching or just not that good. I think with a good offensive coach and sensible ( or maybe just not fucking stupid) playcalling the talent is good enough for a top 15 offense.
My hope is that Nagy gets his head out of his Arena League ass and becomes an NFL coach. If not big changes need to come.
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And I would say based off of offensive production for the last couple seasons it stands to figure most of the position groups are at the lower end of your rankings. Which is the problem. It’s easy to say play to your strength when looking at this from a personnel standpoint there really isn’t one.
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Pace was responsible for hiring that fraud
You cant screw up the QB position and the HC position and expect not to be let go..
But there is just about 0% chance either one of them is going to be let go regardless of the outcome of this season.
Unless there is a covid vaccine and fans are allowed back in the stadiums again, there is no way the Bears are eating both salaries