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High energy tonight. Nothing paying off. Give up two softies on the counter. Too bad for them not playing horrible on the offensive side of the zone at least from a puck control pressure standpoint
 
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I don't like how they record shots on goal sometimes. Hawks were getting lot's of pressure but no clean shots. Shorty pulls them closer.
 
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Forgetting the first game after Sorensen took over, they've now won 3 of the last 5. Including one on the road. Only 8 wins total the rest of the year and FIRST back to back wins.

More importantly the eyeball test shows they seem to be playing different but I'm not an analyst. Bedard found his goals. TT stepping up. Mikheyev back to back nights with goals. Averaging 3 goals a game over the stretch. Surviving on the BACKUP goalie.
 
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Forgetting the first game after Sorensen took over, they've now won 3 of the last 5. Including one on the road. Only 8 wins total the rest of the year and FIRST back to back wins.

More importantly the eyeball test shows they seem to be playing different but I'm not an analyst. Bedard found his goals. TT stepping up. Mikheyev back to back nights with goals. Averaging 3 goals a game over the stretch. Surviving on the BACKUP goalie.
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Yeah, the D activating and skating seems to be a big help creating lanes for our good skating forwards to move.

Vlasic is impressive when he gets the 18 wheeler doing donuts and acting small. He has unbelievable talent.

Korchinski is another wide load with ability.

If Kaiser can develop and the 2024 draft pick is at least decent, it's less to worry about.

The D depth is the other reason I didn't get the pick after years of heavy investment.
 
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MassHavoc said:
Forgetting the first game after Sorensen took over, they've now won 3 of the last 5. Including one on the road. Only 8 wins total the rest of the year and FIRST back to back wins.

More importantly the eyeball test shows they seem to be playing different but I'm not an analyst. Bedard found his goals. TT stepping up. Mikheyev back to back nights with goals. Averaging 3 goals a game over the stretch. Surviving on the BACKUP goalie.
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From what I've heard (and only seen highlights of the games) Sorensen has the BHs playing a 2-1-2 D when the opponent is trying to leave their zone. As opposed to the 1-2-2 LR installed. My understanding is in the 1-2-2 the D is forcing the play to one half side of the ice and force things to the boards to get TOs. The weakness is 1 ( a forward) is going against 2 opponents in the forecheck zone. 1 man trying to cover 2 isn't practical. The good side to this is you have 4 men back. 2 in the neutral and the 2 Dmen at the Blue line. Basically, a team is trying to force the play to one side, pinch at the boards, try for TOs in the Neutral zone, and have 4 back to prevent an easy entry. The 2-1-2 your wings are pressuring the opponents Dmen in the Forechecking zone and trying to stop them from even getting out of the zone, have them make bad passes and try to get TOs in the Forechecking and/or the Neutral zone. So it's more of a pressure D. Kinda like blitzing in football. The C basically is at the Center ice and going to the pass if it's made and try to get a TO at Center ice.
the Dmen are covering the Blue line and Wingers to obviously prevent easy entry. So it can almost be a 2-3 once the puck passes the Red line. You trying to force the opponent to shoot the puck in, instead of carrying the puck in. As you probably know, when the opponent shoots it in, the G has a great chance of getting control of the puck. But the opponents want the G to get as far out of the net as possible to play the puck so they can attack as fast as possible preventing the G from getting reestablished. Hope this wasn't too long of an explanation, and it makes some sense. I prefer the 2-1-2, and it was used by Coach Q.
 
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May I also add to my last post. When you play a 2-1-2 and the opponent makes a good pass to get a rush going, you need speedy Wingers to catch up to the play to get back on D in the D zone. Why it worked so well with the Cup teams is they had Hossa, Kane, Sharp, Saad among others that when the opponents made a good pass, those players 'high-tailed' it back on D.
 
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From what I've heard (and only seen highlights of the games) Sorensen has the BHs playing a 2-1-2 D when the opponent is trying to leave their zone. As opposed to the 1-2-2 LR installed. My understanding is in the 1-2-2 the D is forcing the play to one half side of the ice and force things to the boards to get TOs. The weakness is 1 ( a forward) is going against 2 opponents in the forecheck zone. 1 man trying to cover 2 isn't practical. The good side to this is you have 4 men back. 2 in the neutral and the 2 Dmen at the Blue line. Basically, a team is trying to force the play to one side, pinch at the boards, try for TOs in the Neutral zone, and have 4 back to prevent an easy entry. The 2-1-2 your wings are pressuring the opponents Dmen in the Forechecking zone and trying to stop them from even getting out of the zone, have them make bad passes and try to get TOs in the Forechecking and/or the Neutral zone. So it's more of a pressure D. Kinda like blitzing in football. The C basically is at the Center ice and going to the pass if it's made and try to get a TO at Center ice.
the Dmen are covering the Blue line and Wingers to obviously prevent easy entry. So it can almost be a 2-3 once the puck passes the Red line. You trying to force the opponent to shoot the puck in, instead of carrying the puck in. As you probably know, when the opponent shoots it in, the G has a great chance of getting control of the puck. But the opponents want the G to get as far out of the net as possible to play the puck so they can attack as fast as possible preventing the G from getting reestablished. Hope this wasn't too long of an explanation, and it makes some sense. I prefer the 2-1-2, and it was used by Coach Q.
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Thanks for breaking that down detail wise. I don't know a lot of the nitty gritty but this tracks with my eye test I'm seeing. Much more aggressive up top.
 
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UChiLAbear said:
From what I've heard (and only seen highlights of the games) Sorensen has the BHs playing a 2-1-2 D when the opponent is trying to leave their zone. As opposed to the 1-2-2 LR installed. My understanding is in the 1-2-2 the D is forcing the play to one half side of the ice and force things to the boards to get TOs. The weakness is 1 ( a forward) is going against 2 opponents in the forecheck zone. 1 man trying to cover 2 isn't practical. The good side to this is you have 4 men back. 2 in the neutral and the 2 Dmen at the Blue line. Basically, a team is trying to force the play to one side, pinch at the boards, try for TOs in the Neutral zone, and have 4 back to prevent an easy entry. The 2-1-2 your wings are pressuring the opponents Dmen in the Forechecking zone and trying to stop them from even getting out of the zone, have them make bad passes and try to get TOs in the Forechecking and/or the Neutral zone. So it's more of a pressure D. Kinda like blitzing in football. The C basically is at the Center ice and going to the pass if it's made and try to get a TO at Center ice.
the Dmen are covering the Blue line and Wingers to obviously prevent easy entry. So it can almost be a 2-3 once the puck passes the Red line. You trying to force the opponent to shoot the puck in, instead of carrying the puck in. As you probably know, when the opponent shoots it in, the G has a great chance of getting control of the puck. But the opponents want the G to get as far out of the net as possible to play the puck so they can attack as fast as possible preventing the G from getting reestablished. Hope this wasn't too long of an explanation, and it makes some sense. I prefer the 2-1-2, and it was used by Coach Q.
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That is correct. It's aggressive. I didn't think the Hawks had the speed up front to play it, I'm guessing AR figured why not give it a shot....can't do much worse. Skilled passing teams will probably be a problem but they are a problem either way. Let's see how it plays out long term.

BTW, Korcinski looks like a new man out there. You put Jones back in, pull Brodie out and get Artie up here, you could have the makings of a solid backend.
 
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That is correct. It's aggressive. I didn't think the Hawks had the speed up front to play it, I'm guessing AR figured why not give it a shot....can't do much worse. Skilled passing teams will probably be a problem but they are a problem either way. Let's see how it plays out long term.

BTW, Korcinski looks like a new man out there. You put Jones back in, pull Brodie out and get Artie up here, you could have the makings of a solid backend.
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Overall team wise they probably don't have the speed yet. Slowly mesh in the youngsters and it will be there as a team. Not much of a Jones fan, but I could be wrong about him.
 
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If the BHs trade away a few F vets at the deadline, does anyone know who the most likely to be called up?
 
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