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Is that what any of us have said? No, it's not.
Just because he didn't perform in those 6 games doesn't mean that he is shit. That is what we are saying.
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Is that what any of us have said? No, it's not.
Just because he didn't perform in those 6 games doesn't mean that he is shit. That is what we are saying.
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Yeah, he was shit when it mattered in 07-08.
He was very good in the 03 playoffs...
You said sample size is required to evaluate players, judging by Rammy's sample size in the playoffs, he disappeared when it mattered most.
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2-23. :lmao:
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Yeah sample size is required. 23 ABs is not enough sample size, so of course due to it, he isn't going to look good.
No one is happy about his performance in the playoffs, but A) that doesn't mean he hasn't been the best player for this team in the past decade and B) that doesn't mean that he isn't the best option at 3B for the next season or possibly 2.
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It's called debating absurdity with absurdity.
Basing ARam's worth on 6 games where he was the focus of the opposing team's pitching is absurd.
By your own assessment, none of those other players should be considered worth a damn either. Amazing at how they are, huh? You do realize that the majority of the greatest players in the history of the game put up bad numbers in the postseason right? There's a reason the saying is "Good pitching beats good hitting in the playoffs." Not "The best hitters destroy pitching in the playoffs."
Brooks Robinson is better known for his defense in the postseason, rather than the 4 good series he had at the plate... or the 5 bad ones. He won a WS MVP in 1970 for his defense, not his bat. But hey, gotta have that postseason offensive dominance right? Then why is Ernie Banks in the WS... he didn't have a single postseason AB in his career.
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The 6 games were in the playoffs.............
I didn't say anything about Rammy being worthless, I said he didn't produce. It seems 1000 regular season games trump 12 playoff games.
That is really stupid to think a large sample size of regular season games trump even playoff games.......
I'd rather have a player who produces in October instead of 10 regular seasons.
Rammy had Lee and Soriano to protect him at the plate, as well as a healthy Soto in 08, along with Dero.
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Because the rest of the season didn't matter at all... I mean... what was the point of April-September again? Why was it so important to win all of those games?
Oh yeah, that's right... TO GET TO THE PLAYOFFS! You have to make it to the playoffs to get them to matter.
As I said before, I'm not an ARam lover or hater... kinda indifferent on him at this point. As far as I'm concerned, he can go or stay... with a pay cut. But to sit here and say he gave nothing at all because of 6 games in the playoffs... while ignoring the fact that the team wouldn't have gotten there without his contributions is silly at best...
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When did I say that? He had great regular seasons............
He gave nothing in the 07-08 playoffs. Sorry to ruin the idea of Rammy being a playoff hero to fans. It's not hard to comprehend.
He had a good/great playoffs in 03. He had a great regular season career with the Cubs, and has been the best offensive player here since probably 04, if not 03.
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Okay so what are we arguing about then fisch? We all agree that he was awesome in the regular season, and he was poor in 6 postseason games. What are we suppose to think about Ramirez because of that?
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You keep saying well he produced in 1000+ games, which is fine, but you seem to value those games over the playoffs...........
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So is your argument that those 6 games mean more than the other 1000+ games combined?
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Ummm... Lee batted 3rd.... can't protect ARam when batting ahead of him.
Soriano? Really? That's your protection? Oh, BTW... HE WAS LEADING OFF. Can't protect a hitter that you're hitting in front of. Did you even watch the series... or the final 2 months of the season?
Soto? Healthy? Try broken down and tired... as he tanked in September.... and the Dodgers (like everyone else paying attention) knew he had nothing left.
DeRosa had a good series... batting 7th. Hard to protect the clean up man hitting 2 slots behind him.
So again... who was there protecting ARam in the lineup?
Oh I know... it had to be Jim Edmonds... he so feared that not a single LH pitcher was used against him (for he wasn't even hitting righties at that point). THE Jim Edmonds that managed 2 hits himself. THE Jim Edmonds that hit .218 in the months of August and September... and had nothing left.
Wow, with protection like that... how could the Dodgers not be inclined to actually pitch to him?
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If Ramirez was in front of everyone, where did he bat :thinking:
You basically devalued the entire team around Ramirez.
Ramirez is a great player, no doubt about it. To say oh he had no help is false.
It's amazing how far people will go to defend Ramirez going 2-23. Bradley goes 2-23 and people boo his ass off.
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Yes playoffs>regular season games for me.
If players like Banks couldn't get to the dance, oh well. Doesn't take away what they did in their career.
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So you would rahter have Jim Leyritz on your team because he hit .213/.319/.607 with 8 HRs over Hall of Famer Dave Winfield because he only hit .208/.304/.337 with 2 HRs in the postseason?
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Winfield.
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Soto tanked in September? He had a .778 OPS, not exactly tanking.
4, 5, 6, 7. 7-4=3.
and fwiw, Soto was hitting behind Ramirez
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But postseason>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regular season games as you said. I am just trying to understand the logic here. Winfield is the epitome of what I am talking about here with Ramirez. A great player, hell he was deservedly a Hall of Famer. he got to play 26 games in the postseason and he was terrible. Does that mean we wouldn't have wanted him on the Cubs in his prime?
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