Official Offseason Thread - CUBS edition

[Jntg4]

 

[dabynsky]

Yeah, because the playoffs don't mean anything.

Find where I said that the playoffs don't mean anything. I just question using 6 games to determine how a player handles pressure, but the question of his playoff performance wasn't what I was calling you on.

Here is the quote I responded to.

That's the thing. He's consistent. Consistent at getting off to a bad start and playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. IMO he has no business being on a contender. He's a choke artist.

Nothing except perhaps the last sentence could mean anything about playing in the playoffs. You said he was consistent at getting off ot a bad start. I gave an example as recently as three years ago that proves that is false. You said he is consistent playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. I give you an example that shows him playing well down a stretch when the games were very meaningful.

The response I am sure to get is but those 6 games are the most important or something along those lines, but again that isn't what you said when I responded to you by saying you are wrong.

 

[Uman85]

Find where I said that the playoffs don't mean anything. I just question using 6 games to determine how a player handles pressure, but the question of his playoff performance wasn't what I was calling you on.

Here is the quote I responded to.


Nothing except perhaps the last sentence could mean anything about playing in the playoffs. You said he was consistent at getting off ot a bad start. I gave an example as recently as three years ago that proves that is false. You said he is consistent playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. I give you an example that shows him playing well down a stretch when the games were very meaningful.

The response I am sure to get is but those 6 games are the most important or something along those lines, but again that isn't what you said when I responded to you by saying you are wrong.

Just because someone has a differing opinion than you doesn't mean they're wrong.

This "know-it-all" attitude by people on here is great.

 

[Jntg4]

Find where I said that the playoffs don't mean anything. I just question using 6 games to determine how a player handles pressure, but the question of his playoff performance wasn't what I was calling you on.

Here is the quote I responded to.


Nothing except perhaps the last sentence could mean anything about playing in the playoffs. You said he was consistent at getting off ot a bad start. I gave an example as recently as three years ago that proves that is false. You said he is consistent playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. I give you an example that shows him playing well down a stretch when the games were very meaningful.

The response I am sure to get is but those 6 games are the most important or something along those lines, but again that isn't what you said when I responded to you by saying you are wrong.

One exception in 3 years doesn't make it inconsistent... the Yankees consistently make the playoffs, but 3 playoffs ago (2008) did not...

 

[Captain Obvious]

I am capable of quality posts, but I don't see how this discussion will end with anyone being persuaded one way or another, so it seems a little useless to me... it'll end up being the same stuff repeated hundreds of times without any consensus being reached.

And honestly, how much do you think Ramirez wants?

So now we should only have discussions in which someone can be persuaded? That's not how forums work.

Ramirez wants 3 years 27ish, is my guess. I'd give him 2 and 22 with a club option for the 3rd year.

Sample size is more important than playoffs. :lmao: :lmao:

Playoffs are much much much more important than "sample size."

You are better than that CO.

I completely agree. However, that's not how you two put it. Saying he isn't clutch because of the 2-23 in 6 games is flat out ignorant. You know that & you are better than that.

 

[DewsSox79]

I wish there were more cub fans that actually have something negative to say about their team, than to just be so defensive and sheep like apologists that think there can never be anything negative about the cubs. I mean if there werent any negatives about the cubs, they wouldnt be a bottom of the barrel team. but here comes the sheep rebut....."we were injured, zomfg!" "lulz" ya know the unproven cashner and the horrible randy wells really destroyed a contending season.......plus the cubs lost the fire and passion from Byrd for a while.

 

[Jntg4]

Just because someone has a differing opinion than you doesn't mean they're wrong.

This "know-it-all" attitude by people on here is great.

 

[dabynsky]

Just because someone has a differing opinion than you doesn't mean they're wrong.

This "know-it-all" attitude by people on here is great.

I am sorry but what I am suppose to say. You said two things that get repeated over and over that is just not true. I gave evidence as to why that isn't true. I did't sit there and call you a moron. I gave reasons why I thought you were wrong. What do you want me to do?

 

[nwfisch]

So now we should only have discussions in which someone can be persuaded? That's not how forums work.

Ramirez wants 3 years 27ish, is my guess. I'd give him 2 and 22 with a club option for the 3rd year.



I completely agree. However, that's not how you two put it. Saying he isn't clutch because of the 2-23 in 6 games is flat out ignorant. You know that & you are better than that.

Then when I call you out on Rammy not producing in clutch situations, you respond with sample size. That's not right. 6 games were the playoffs and playoffs trump all.

 

[DewsSox79]

 

[dabynsky]

One exception in 3 years doesn't make it inconsistent... the Yankees consistently make the playoffs, but 3 playoffs ago (2008) did not...

He has a career OPS of .815 in the 1st half and .856 in the 2nd half. I would say that is pretty consistent production. Do you really need me to go dig through each season to show that he played well as often in the first half as not?

 

[Uman85]

I am sorry but what I am suppose to say. You said two things that get repeated over and over that is just not true. I gave evidence as to why that isn't true. I did't sit there and call you a moron. I gave reasons why I thought you were wrong. What do you want me to do?

In your opinion it's not true. To others on this board, it is true.

But whatever, agree to disagree.

 

[Jntg4]

So now we should only have discussions in which someone can be persuaded? That's not how forums work.

Ramirez wants 3 years 27ish, is my guess. I'd give him 2 and 22 with a club option for the 3rd year.



I completely agree. However, that's not how you two put it. Saying he isn't clutch because of the 2-23 in 6 games is flat out ignorant. You know that & you are better than that.

so 11 million per year, plus the 2 million dollar buyout is 13 million for next year. That is only 1.6 million less than we paid him this season...

 

[dabynsky]

In your opinion it's not true. To others on this board, it is true.

But whatever, agree to disagree.

Give me evidence that actually proves your case then. It is boring if we all agree, but have something to back it up with.

 

[Uman85]

So now we should only have discussions in which someone can be persuaded? That's not how forums work.

Ramirez wants 3 years 27ish, is my guess. I'd give him 2 and 22 with a club option for the 3rd year.



I completely agree. However, that's not how you two put it. Saying he isn't clutch because of the 2-23 in 6 games is flat out ignorant. You know that & you are better than that.

You calling someone else's opinion ignorant?

 

[DewsSox79]

I love how CO goes. "well this is what I would do"

no one cares.

 

[DewsSox79]

All I ask is fans are honest about their team and their teams flaws. Some fans cannot do that do to their complex or whatever.

Again, a team with no flaws is contending right now. Period.

 

[Jntg4]

He has a career OPS of .815 in the 1st half and .856 in the 2nd half. I would say that is pretty consistent production. Do you really need me to go dig through each season to show that he played well as often in the first half as not?

My point was that one season in the last 3 or so years doesn't necessarily determine whether it is consistent or inconsistent, I wasn't arguing for either side with that post.

 

[Jntg4]

All I ask is fans are honest about their team and their teams flaws. Some fans cannot do that do to their complex or whatever.

Again, a team with no flaws is contending right now. Period.

Cubs Flaws:
We suck.

Hey, it's only 1 flaw that encompasses several others, awesome! But that actually equates to about 23 or so, probably more, flaws.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I love how CO goes. "well this is what I would do"

no one cares.