Official Offseason Thread - CUBS edition

[dabynsky]

I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Mark Reynolds to see if the Orioles would be interested in parting with him, but Reynolds would make Ramirez look like a gold glover at 3B.

 

[Uman85]

Yeah, because who exactly gives us a better shot to win at 3B? Mark DeRosa? lol

Ramirez can't handle the pressure of contending. He shits his pants in the spotlight. Since the Cubs tanked, he's started to hit homers. He's irrelevant.

 

[2SeamHeat]

Yeah, because who exactly gives us a better shot to win at 3B? Mark DeRosa? lol

No one that will be on the FA market. However, Wright is believed to be a trade candidate this offseason. I would have thought Young might be available, but the Rangers traded the one guy that might have created that possibility.

 

[dabynsky]

Ramirez can't handle the pressure of contending. He shits his pants in the spotlight. Since the Cubs tanked, he's started to hit homers. He's irrelevant.

My god why do we have to spout this nonsense again and again. Did he suddenly forgot how to hit when it mattered just because a couple years in a row when the Cubs were terrible he got off to a slow start?

 

[DewsSox79]

My god why do we have to spout this nonsense again and again. Did he suddenly forgot how to hit when it mattered just because a couple years in a row when the Cubs were terrible he got off to a slow start?

you have to admit he does play well when the games dont matter. cmon now.

and 16 million for him....please

 

[dabynsky]

you have to admit he does play well when the games dont matter. cmon now.

and 16 million for him....please

And you have to admit that he has played well when the games do mean matter...

I am not commenting one way or the other about bringing Ramirez back. I just get tired of how the story changes on Aramis to match whatever has happened in the most recent seasons.

 

[Uman85]

My god why do we have to spout this nonsense again and again. Did he suddenly forgot how to hit when it mattered just because a couple years in a row when the Cubs were terrible he got off to a slow start?

That's the thing. He's consistent. Consistent at getting off to a bad start and playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. IMO he has no business being on a contender. He's a choke artist.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Ramirez can't handle the pressure of contending. He shits his pants in the spotlight. Since the Cubs tanked, he's started to hit homers. He's irrelevant.

He can't handle the pressure of contending? Did you miss 07 & 08 when Ramirez was a top 3B in all of baseball?

He is flat out one of the best 3B in the game right now. While it is sad that 3B is that bad, why get rid of him when there are no better options out there?

Oh and since you think Ramirez can't handle pressure, take a look at WPA, it will show you that Ramirez's only below average year in terms of coming through, clutch, helping the team to win, was last year.

 

[Uman85]

He can't handle the pressure of contending? Did you miss 07 & 08 when Ramirez was a top 3B in all of baseball?

He is flat out one of the best 3B in the game right now. While it is sad that 3B is that bad, why get rid of him when there are no better options out there?

Oh and since you think Ramirez can't handle pressure, take a look at WPA, it will show you that Ramirez's only below average year in terms of coming through, clutch, helping the team to win, was last year.

Lol here we go.

 

[dabynsky]

That's the thing. He's consistent. Consistent at getting off to a bad start and playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. IMO he has no business being on a contender. He's a choke artist.

That is just factually wrong. It has happened the past two seasons. In 2009 he was hitting .333/.375/.500 before he got hurt. He was huge for the team in 2007 down the stretch when the club was fighting and clawing for a playoff spot. Two years in a row this has happened, but to act like this has been his career pattern is wrong.

 

[Captain Obvious]

That's the thing. He's consistent. Consistent at getting off to a bad start and playing well down the stretch when there's no pressure. IMO he has no business being on a contender. He's a choke artist.

He is a choke artist? Oh my god... You have no idea what you're talking about. How does he "choke" at all?

Bad start? Yeah, his sOPS of 114 this April was sooooo bad. God damn him for being above average! Damn him to hell!

 

[Jntg4]

****, can't this shit wait until the off-season?

 

[Uman85]

That is just factually wrong. It has happened the past two seasons. In 2009 he was hitting .333/.375/.500 before he got hurt. He was huge for the team in 2007 down the stretch when the club was fighting and clawing for a playoff spot. Two years in a row this has happened, but to act like this has been his career pattern is wrong.

What did he do in the playoffs? :thinking:

That's right. 2-23 in 6 games over the span of 2007-2008.

:lmao:

 

[nwfisch]

He can't handle the pressure of contending? Did you miss 07 & 08 when Ramirez was a top 3B in all of baseball?

Alex Rodriguez and David Wright say hi.

He is flat out one of the best 3B in the game right now. While it is sad that 3B is that bad, why get rid of him when there are no better options out there?

To save the Cubs $16M they don't have

Oh and since you think Ramirez can't handle pressure, take a look at WPA, it will show you that Ramirez's only below average year in terms of coming through, clutch, helping the team to win, was last year.

Let's look at 07-08, when the Cubs needed Rammy the most. .080 batting average. Cubs lose 6 games. Those are the best 2 stats I need to prove Ramirez isn't clutch.

 

[Uman85]

He is a choke artist? Oh my god... You have no idea what you're talking about. How does he "choke" at all?

Bad start? Yeah, his sOPS of 114 this April was sooooo bad. God damn him for being above average! Damn him to hell!

2-23 in the playoffs. Chew on that, you little shit.

 

[nwfisch]

2-23 in the playoffs. Chew on that, you little shit.

:umad:

 

[dabynsky]

What did he do in the playoffs? :thinking:

That's right. 2-23 in 6 games over the span of 2007-2008.

:lmao:

This is a pointless argument because you are clearly ignoring sample size and picking at most a 100 ABs of a guys career to determine how they perform in pressure situations. There is no point in continuing this because you ignore all evidence that is contrary.

 

[Jntg4]

Alex Rodriguez and David Wright say hi.



To save the Cubs $16M they don't have

Let's look at 07-08, when the Cubs needed Rammy the most. .080 batting average. Cubs lose 6 games. Those are the best 2 stats I need to prove Ramirez isn't clutch.

But but but his OBP was .068 points higher than his AVG in the 08 Post-season! The guy can draw a walk!

 

[Uman85]

This is a pointless argument because you are clearly ignoring sample size and picking at most a 100 ABs of a guys career to determine how they perform in pressure situations. There is no point in continuing this because you ignore all evidence that is contrary.

Yeah, because the playoffs don't mean anything.

 

[nwfisch]

This is a pointless argument because you are clearly ignoring sample size and picking at most a 100 ABs of a guys career to determine how they perform in pressure situations. There is no point in continuing this because you ignore all evidence that is contrary.

OK he had a great 07, 08, 09. But when the Cubs needed him most, he faltered plain and simple. They needed him the most in the playoffs, and Ramirez disappeared.