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[remydat]

Who’s shitting on Quan? If someone thinks he’s the 4th or 5th best LB instead of #1 is that “shitting” on him? If someone wants to pay him 2nd or 3rd best per year is that “shitting” on him?

There’s always exceptions but I think 95% (or more) of Bears fans want Quan here long term, or at the least think he’s a very good player. We just don’t all agree on how much to pay him. And not everyone thinks he’s hall of fame bound. But “shitting” on him? C’mon….

There have clearly been people on here that have have been suggesting he isn't that great.

And as CaliBear said people are avoiding the actual stats that back Quan up. I have referenced him leading the league in stops and giving up 0 TDs last 3 years and it is crickets.

Like what stats are people relying on to claim say Campbell is better? Quan has him beat in just about every category you can think of aside from Ints where Campbell has 1 more?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

To be fair it is almost never the best player at a position that gets paid the most. Just whoever signed a contract most recently. Which will continue to be the case until the salary cap quits rising.

That’s a legit and fair argument.

I just want to know who’s shitting on Quan though?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

There have clearly been people on here that have have been suggesting he isn't that great.

And as CaliBear said people are avoiding the actual stats that back Quan up. I have referenced him leading the league in stops and giving up 0 TDs last 3 years and it is crickets.

Like what stats are people relying on to claim say Campbell is better? Quan has him beat in just about every category you can think of aside from Ints where Campbell has 1 more?

A few exceptions maybe. Pretty sure most people think he’s a very good player.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

That’s a legit and fair argument.

I just want to know who’s shitting on Quan though?

I haven't seen too many shitting on him other than @Montucky who claimed the USFL guy could replace him.

I think it is fair to question if he's top 5 though

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I haven't seen too many shitting on him other than @Montucky who claimed the USFL guy could replace him.

I think it is fair to question if he's top 5 though

Is this giving Quan the Cleveland Steamer @remydat ? Or is that a fair discussion?

 

[UK_STALEY]

To be fair it is almost never the best player at a position that gets paid the most. Just whoever signed a contract most recently. Which will continue to be the case until the salary cap quits rising.

Very true! Kyler Murray now earns more than Mahomes for instance

 

[remydat]

I haven't seen too many shitting on him other than @Montucky who claimed the USFL guy could replace him.

I think it is fair to question if he's top 5 though

Is this giving Quan the Cleveland Steamer @remydat ? Or is that a fair discussion?

It is fair to question anything but there is a difference between questioning if someone is top 5 with zero evidence or argument and actually having evidence. Who are you claiming are the top 5 and let's compare the stats.

Again Quan led the NFL in stops and has given up 0 TDs last 3 years. The only guy I can clearly put above him is Leonard because Leonard's TO numbers dwarfs Quan's but Quan still has more run stops and Leonard has given up 7 TDs in coverage compared to 0 for Quan last 3 years.

Now name me the other 4 because Quan's numbers outside of TOs largely dwarf everyone else's and no one else has a big enough gap in TOs to overcome that IMO but happy to actually have that debate.

By contrast if you are going to question if he is top 5 but can't actually produce any real data or stats to back it up then forgive me but that is not really questioning. That is being biased.

 

[Anytime23]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557412300457385985

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

It is fair to question anything but there is a difference between questioning if someone is top 5 with zero evidence or argument and actually having evidence. Who are you claiming are the top 5 and let's compare the stats.

Again Quan led the NFL in stops and has given up 0 TDs last 3 years. The only guy I can clearly put above him is Leonard because Leonard's TO numbers dwarfs Quan's but Quan still has more run stops and Leonard has given up 7 TDs in coverage compared to 0 for Quan last 3 years.

Now name me the other 4 because Quan's numbers outside of TOs largely dwarf everyone else's and no one else has a big enough gap in TOs to overcome that IMO but happy to actually have that debate.

By contrast if you are going to question if he is top 5 but can't actually produce any real data or stats to back it up then forgive me but that is not a really questioning. That is being biased.

You’re vortexing again.

We’re talking about shitting sir.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Very true! Kyler Murray now earns more than Mahomes for instance

And this is exhibit A for why it’s not always good to follow the crowd and do what’s always done. (Paying more just because a player is “next”.)
I think that contact will bite them in the ass.

 

[UK_STALEY]

Well the takes most of us hear are other Bears fans takes…. Which are rooted in fandom and not rooted in facts and certainly not expertise.

I agree on the diversity of opinion but don’t think that is rooted in fact.
He talks about Smith not being too 5 right now and needing to make more plays then half of his list made less impact plays than Smith last season.

 

[remydat]

You’re vortexing again.

We’re talking about shitting sir.

No @Chicagosports89 asked if it is fair to question if he is top 5 and I responded to that by saying yes and to produce the ames and data on the guys you think are better.

Otherwise just claiming their are 5 guys better with no evidence is shitting on Quan in my opinion. I have clearly articulated the data for why I think Quan is top 5. It's put up or shut up time for those claiming he isnt.

 

[remydat]

I agree on the diversity of opinion but don’t think that is rooted in fact.
He talks about Smith not being too 5 right now and needing to make more plays then half of his list made less impact plays than Smith last seasisn't.

Exactly. You have people claiming others are better but the stats say otherwise.

It is laughable to claim Campbell for example is better. Quan's stats shit all over that dude. Period.

Like by this logic I can say Poles is the worst GM in NFL. Why? Because I said so. No need to offer any evidence to support my position apparently. All I need to do is question it and that is enough to make it true.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

No @Chicagosports89 asked ifait is fair to question if he is top 5 and I responded to that by saying yes and to produce the ames and data on the guys you think are better.

Otherwise just claiming their are 5 guys better with no evidence is shitting on Quan in my opinion. I have clearly articulated the data for why I think Quan is top 5. It's put up or shut up time for those claiming he isnt.

I think he probably is top 5. Top 3 possibly. Not 1 though.

 

[UK_STALEY]

And this is exhibit A for why it’s not always good to follow the crowd and do what’s always done. (Paying more just because a player is “next”.)
I think that contact will bite them in the ass.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your principle here, I certainly question whether the Bears have enough talent to be making stands like that

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557747398696484865

 

[bears51/40]

I think this is a great take. I see Smith playing for the Bears this season on his 5th year option. I also think he will play his very best ball just to show the Bears and other teams he can play not only inside but also on the outside.

 

[UK_STALEY]

Exactly. You have people claiming others are better but the stats say otherwise.

It is laughable to claim Campbell for example is better. Quan's stats shit all over that dude. Period.

Like by this logic I can say Poles is the worst GM in NFL. Why? Because I said so. No need to offer any evidence to support my position apparently. All I need to do is question it and that is enough to make it true.

Genuine question, are the forced fumbles listed as stats all recovered by the defense and therefore legitimate turnovers?

 

[remydat]

I think he probably is top 5. Top 3 possibly. Not 1 though.

I already said Leonard is better. He doesn't have to be top 1 to get more than Leonard though. Don't think there is any position in the NFL where the actual best player at that position is also the highest paid.

 

[remydat]

Genuine question, are the forced fumbles listed as stats all recovered by the defense and therefore legitimate turnovers?

No. There is a separate category for Fumble Recoveries but those 2 are not necessarily related. So some proportion of FF by Leonard were recovered by the offense.