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That interview with Ian R was very interesting. Sounds like they made him an offer where it was the highest per year for the position….. BUT that last year was really high and “fugase”. So not likely to be earned.

Wonder what the things they asked him to do that he doesn’t want to do are.

Also…. If they’re backloading the deal when they’re this far under the cap already they’re either:

A: gonna go ape shit in free agency
B: or George needs to save money for that new stadium! ?
 

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That interview with Ian R was very interesting. Sounds like they made him an offer where it was the highest per year for the position….. BUT that last year was really high and “fugase”. So not likely to be earned.
Ian also seemingly back tracked on how terrible the contract was which was what he reported the other day. I don't understand why backloaded matters? Most contracts are backloaded. As long as guaranteed money is in line with what Warner and Leonard got.
 

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For the sake of being fair in this back and forth i decided to listen to that presser and i had a whole thing written out until i re-read this last past and realized i'll get nowhere with someone who actually believes this.

To each his own, i guess...


Yea for sure.. and no offense btw.
 

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Ian also seemingly back tracked on how terrible the contract was which was what he reported the other day. I don't understand why backloaded matters? Most contracts are backloaded. As long as guaranteed money is in line with what Warner and Leonard got.
He said it was there to make the average high but it didn’t sound guaranteed.
 

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He said it was there to make the average high but it didn’t sound guaranteed. (My take)
Well yeah. Idc what is guaranteed in the last year. I'm talking about over the course of the contract. Most long term contracts don't have much guaranteed in the last year.

Also if the average and guarantees are in line, who cares where it's allocated. If he performs well, as expected, he'll play out the contract anyway.
 

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That is not what I am referring to. Dude says ask Quan but then they wont let Quan speak. It is keystone cops right now.

Maybe Quan doesnt want to speak? If he had something to say, he likely already said it through Rappaport

Is RS required to speak if he didn't practice? The team made it sound like that's the NFL or NFLPA rule (ie. no practice = not required to do interviews). If so, I don't understand what the media is upset about other than "we want answers and this guy won't talk to us"

:dealwithit:
 

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Is RS required to speak if he didn't practice? The team made it sound like that's the NFL or NFLPA rule (ie. no practice = not required to do interviews). If so, I don't understand what the media is upset about other than "we want answers and this guy won't talk to us"

:dealwithit:


This tweet makes it seem like they discussed making Ro available with him

 

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Does he have to speak if he didn't practice? They made it sound like that's the NFL or NFLPA rule (ie. no practice = not required to do interviews). If so, I don't understand what the media is upset about other than "we want answers and this guy won't talk to us"

:dealwithit:
They're upset that the HC keeps deflecting to "talk to Roquan" when there's a policy where they can't talk to a player who didn't practice, so they cannot talk to Roquan. You watched the presser. Hoge respectfully called this out. The coach knows they can't talk to him still tell them to do it. The Bears have done this in the past too where they say "talk to the trainers" about an injury yet these people aren't accessible.
 

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Well yeah. Idc what is guaranteed in the last year. I'm talking about over the course of the contract. Most long term contracts don't have much guaranteed in the last year.

Also if the average and guarantees are in line, who cares where it's allocated. If he performs well, as expected, he'll play out the contract anyway.


You can put a 30 million dollar final year in there which makes the average high but if it’s not guaranteed then the average is “fake”. So it sounds to me like the guaranteed money isn’t there.
 

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You can put a 30 million dollar final year in there which makes the average high but if it’s not guaranteed then the average is “fake”. So it sounds to me like the guaranteed money isn’t there.
Yes, the final year could be $30 million not guaranteed, but there could still upwards of $50 million guaranteed in the first 4 years. In that case, I don't see the issue.
 

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They're upset that the HC keeps deflecting to "talk to Roquan" when there's a policy where they can't talk to a player who didn't practice, so they cannot talk to Roquan. You watched the presser. Hoge respectfully called this out. The coach knows they can't talk to him still tell them to do it. The Bears have done this in the past too where they say "talk to the trainers" about an injury yet these people aren't accessible.
..well they keep asking Flus questions where his answers would be him trying to either (a) read RS mind or (b) predict with accuracy the what and where of the contract getting done or not done.

Then, when he says "you'll have to ask Roquan" (because Flus obv. doesn't know), they ask him (for the millionth time): "Well what are you going to do with RS not being available??" (which I've heard him answer a billion times)

What do we, or they, even want or expect to hear from Roquan even if he DOES take the podium at this point? There is really nothing to say until a contract or trade gets done. It would all be just regurgitation for something to write a story about (I guess). But certainly nothing new or earth shattering for anyone caught up on the situation.

They're (the media) just being babies about it imo.
 

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They're upset that the HC keeps deflecting to "talk to Roquan" when there's a policy where they can't talk to a player who didn't practice, so they cannot talk to Roquan. You watched the presser. Hoge respectfully called this out. The coach knows they can't talk to him still tell them to do it. The Bears have done this in the past too where they say "talk to the trainers" about an injury yet these people aren't accessible.
To be fair, idk what they are suppose to say. He said roquan is healthy to practice which is more than some others would say. He can't really speak on the contract or why roquan decided not to practice. And he did say he understands they can't get answers from roquan right now.

So, I guess I understand them pushing the questions and the way he answered them.
 

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Maybe Quan doesnt want to speak? If he had something to say, he likely already said it through Rappaport

Right. If he wanted to speak that bad he could easily do it on his own like he already has. Or take outside interview requests if asked.

Doesn't really make sense for you to have a guy speak that is already lighting fires, isn't practicing, and you have a whole team of other guys there sweating and practicing that fans like me can get relevant football answers from.
 

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Right. If he wanted to speak that bad he could easily do it on his own like he already has. Or take outside interview requests if asked.

Doesn't really make sense for you to have a guy speak that is already lighting fires, isn't practicing, and you have a whole team of other guys there sweating and practicing that fans like me can get relevant football answers from.

He can be like T.O and take questions while doing situps in his driveway
 

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..well they keep asking Flus questions where his answers would be him trying to either (a) read RS mind or (b) predict with accuracy the what and where of the contract getting done or not done.

Then, when he says "you'll have to ask Roquan" (because Flus obv. doesn't know), they ask him (for the millionth time): "Well what are you going to do with RS not being available??" (which I've heard him answer a billion times)

What do we, or they, even want or expect to hear from Roquan even if he DOES take the podium at this point? There is really nothing to say until a contract or trade gets done. It would all be just regurgitation for something to write a story about (I guess). But certainly nothing new or earth shattering for anyone caught up on the situation.

They're (the media) just being babies about it imo.
IDK what they want him to say but its a real shitty look when you constantly tell someone to talk to someone you and they know they cannot talk to. At least with Poles and Jenkins, Poles just flat out says he's not going to talk about it. No beating around the bush. Just right to how it is.

Of course it's something to write a story about. They're the media. They work for newspapers and major sports publications to bring info to us, the fans who want to know things.

I think everyone is tired of George McCaskey's yes-men never telling anyone anything. Its just non-stop bullshit and lies and it never results in any type of on the field success. Their lack of transparency to success ratio is like 1000 to 1.

Im sorry to inform the fans who defend these guys for whatever reason but the competitive advantage is a myth. It truly is. It's an incompetent ownership group who usually hired incompetent executives to run the team. The more secretive they are, the less ammo smart people have to fire upon them with. The only advantage they have is to save their own ass because it certainly hasn't helped the Bears the last 20 years.
 

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Ian also seemingly back tracked on how terrible the contract was which was what he reported the other day. I don't understand why backloaded matters? Most contracts are backloaded. As long as guaranteed money is in line with what Warner and Leonard got.

I presume the backloaded actually means he is getting less per year over the first 3-4 years tham Leonard or Warner.

Keep in mind Leonard is going to take home about 20m a year over the first 3 extension years
 

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IDK what they want him to say but its a real shitty look when you constantly tell someone to talk to someone you and they know they cannot talk to. At least with Poles and Jenkins, Poles just flat out says he's not going to talk about it. No beating around the bush. Just right to how it is.

Of course it's something to write a story about. They're the media. They work for newspapers and major sports publications to bring info to us, the fans who want to know things.

I think everyone is tired of George McCaskey's yes-men never telling anyone anything. Its just non-stop bullshit and lies and it never results in any type of on the field success. Their lack of transparency to success ratio is like 1000 to 1.

Im sorry to inform the fans who defend these guys for whatever reason but the competitive advantage is a myth. It truly is. It's an incompetent ownership group who usually hired incompetent executives to run the team. The more secretive they are, the less ammo smart people have to fire upon them with. The only advantage they have is to save their own ass because it certainly hasn't helped the Bears the last 20 years.

What other front office or coaching staff would have let Roquan speak or given details to your satisfaction? Probably not any of them
 

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