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[truthbedamned]

For fucks sake remy....there are multiple threads about Smith. Why do you always **** up threads with your stupid fucking vortex's? If anyone should be thread banned it is you.

 

[HeHateMe]

For fucks sake remy....there are multiple threads about Smith. Why do you always **** up threads with your stupid fucking vortex's? If anyone should be thread banned it is you.

@nvanprooyen I thought this sort of bickering and attacking has been forbidden in this thread?

 

[remydat]

For fucks sake remy....there are multiple threads about Smith. Why do you always **** up threads with your stupid fucking vortex's? If anyone should be thread banned it is you.

You are upset I am responding to posts about a Bears player at training camp in a thread about the Bears training camp? On a day the Bears arent even practicing?

 

[dennehy]

Doesn't sound like he wanted to be traded until recently, and you aren't in a position to trade him right now because of cap situations for many teams. Who knows if anyone really wants him right now.

 

[HeHateMe]

You are upset I am responding to posts about a Bears player at training camp in a thread about the Bears training camp? On a day the Bears arent even practicing?

Just ignore him, you of all people he could have called out are legit talking football.

I'm sorry that people don't want to acknowledge some legitimacy to Roquan's side of things, and appreciate your advocacy even if I think better work could be done by both sides on this negotiation.

 

[Anytime23]

For fucks sake remy....there are multiple threads about Smith. Why do you always **** up threads with your stupid fucking vortex's? If anyone should be thread banned it is you.

Attack the argument, not the poster. Thank you.

 

[HeHateMe]

Doesn't sound like he wanted to be traded until recently, and you aren't in a position to trade him right now because of cap situations for many teams. Who knows if anyone really wants him right now.

That's why I believe it's either purely a stunt or Roquan just not being suited to being his own agent, or both.

 

[FozzyBear]

Football talk only please. This isn't a space for you to cry about your jealousy of the Pack.

See ya for the London game, when 99% of the stadium will be Packers fans.
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Sorry, thats just for the public perception of Erin. Not that it matters, but behind closed doors, Rodgers prefers



Cant wait until Rodgers blows out that old man Achilles week 2..

 

[iueyedoc]

Do you honestly think Larry O was worth 13m a year?

So the Bears are willing to pay at or over market value for players?

Fair is relative. Doesnt matter how fair you think it is if the other guy doesnt want to sign.

Again this should have been addressed months ago and if the dude doesnt want to sign a fair deal then trade him.

There is virtually no benefit to having a disgruntled player on a team not competing for shit this year when you trying to build a team first culture.

So Roquan doesn't want a fair deal and he should be traded?

The Quan deal was a chance for Poles to distance himself from the tactics of his predecessor. Again for good teams this is simply. Pay them what they want or trade them.

So the Bears shouldn't trade him and should pay whatever Roquan whatever he wants?


Is self vortexing a kind of auto-eroticism for you?

 

[Enasic]

Shitty franchise that doesnt do right by players.

NFLPA threatens to deter players from signing with Bears if Illinois passes bill

DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFLPA, says the bill unfairly targets professional athletes

www.google.com

In the case of Bouye, this was right before NFLPA said they would warn agents and FAs to stay away from Bears because they supported legislation in Illinois that would harm players.

In the case of Larry O, if you are going to a team that is likely to hold the franchise tag or 5th year option over your head rather than pay you then yes you are likley to demand more money.

ARob lost a ton of money because the Bears made him play on the tag. You honestly think agents dont know which teams are heavy handed and which are player friendly and adjust their demands accordingly?

The Quan deal was a chance for Poles to distance himself from the tactics of his predecessor. Again for good teams this is simply. Pay them what they want or trade them.

I think when you offer a player market value (same offer as other teams) or above market value, they really only look at 2 things:

1. Is the team going to compete and can they win there?

2. City/location

They’re not going to care that Roquan got his feelings hurt during negotiations.

You’re also speculating about Jobi. Neither one of us know what his market was. 3T coming off a 7 sack season don’t grow on trees or come cheap.

 

[remydat]

Doesn't sound like he wanted to be traded until recently, and you aren't in a position to trade him right now because of cap situations for many teams. Who knows if anyone really wants him right now.

Oh I agree. He attended all offseason so sure he wanted to be a Bear at some point. My point is before any negotiation you have to know your jumping off point. If the Bears are prepared to meet his demands but want to prolong things to see if he will accept less then it is fine to play this game because you know in the end a deal will get done and it is just a matter of trying to negotiate a better price.

If the Bears knew they would never accept his demands then best to trade him before teams spend all their money and address needs in FA and draft because if you wait and the player is dug in then you are in a difficult position.

So I just hope that Poles is in the former situation or has an out somehow.

 

[dentfan]

To add my two cents to this Roquan discussion, I think that we are forgetting one thing: Pace should absolutely pay top dollar to Roquan Smith as an off ball LB. I don’t think that his pass rushing ability is part of the equation, as of yet, and that will change his value big time.

As a WLB, Smith is going to have far fewer blockers getting to him than in the 4-3. This will allow him to drop or read, but we are also forgetting exactly how good he is at sacking the QB and blitzing! Basically, every time Smith blitzed, it was a sack. Now, with a decent secondary and the ability to not be tied to a fucking idiot’s pantry of what the fucks and why the fucks, we may see Smith unleashed. If he is able to hit his sack potential, he moves into a different tier.

The top end of an off ball LB’s pay doesn’t rank near the top of a pass rushing LBer’s pay. So, locking him in as the highest paid off ball WLB BEFORE he balls the **** out as a pass rushing demon from the pits of the darkest hell human mind could fathom is in Poles’ best interest.

I don’t see anybody discussing this angle of Smith’s ability and potential at all. If he doesn’t realize his potential as a blitzing WLB, it’s still money well spent to lock up, arguably, the best WLB playing right now, but easily one of the best. If he does realize the potential, and we have him locked up long term, that is one hell of a savings.

 

[remydat]

So the Bears are willing to pay at or over market value for players?


So Roquan doesn't want a fair deal and he should be traded?

So the Bears shouldn't trade him and should pay whatever Roquan whatever he wants?


Is self vortexing a kind of auto-eroticism for you?

1. The Bears find themselves overpaying for talent. Something you yourself have complained about.

2. I said what is fair is relative. Go look up what relative means and let me know how that applies here.

3. The Bears should pay him or trade him. What they should not do is carry this pissing contest into the season.

 

[nvanprooyen]

For fucks sake remy....there are multiple threads about Smith. Why do you always **** up threads with your stupid fucking vortex's? If anyone should be thread banned it is you.

Easy. You might not like the topic, but Smith's status certainly falls into football talk.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Shitty franchise that doesnt do right by players.

NFLPA threatens to deter players from signing with Bears if Illinois passes bill

DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFLPA, says the bill unfairly targets professional athletes

www.google.com

In the case of Bouye, this was right before NFLPA said they would warn agents and FAs to stay away from Bears because they supported legislation in Illinois that would harm players.

In the case of Larry O, if you are going to a team that is likely to hold the franchise tag or 5th year option over your head rather than pay you then yes you are likley to demand more money.

ARob lost a ton of money because the Bears made him play on the tag. You honestly think agents dont know which teams are heavy handed and which are player friendly and adjust their demands accordingly?

The Quan deal was a chance for Poles to distance himself from the tactics of his predecessor. Again for good teams this is simply. Pay them what they want or trade them.

You do realize good teams tag players sometimes too right?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

1. The Bears find themselves overpaying for talent. Something you yourself have complained about.

2. I said what is fair is relative. Go look up what relative means and let me know how that applies here.

3. The Bears should pay him or trade him. What they should not do is carry this pissing contest into the season.

Which is still a month away.

 

[remydat]

I think when you offer a player market value (same offer as other teams) or above market value, they really only look at 2 things:

1. Is the team going to compete and can they win there?

2. City/location

They’re not going to care that Roquan got his feelings hurt during negotiations.

You’re also speculating about Jobi. Neither one of us know what his market was. 3T coming off a 7 sack season don’t grow on trees or come cheap.

Those things matter and so does the perception players and agents have of how fair you are. Jags were 3-13 when Bouye took less to play with them.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

A.J. Bouye chose the Jaguars over Bears despite bigger offer

A.J. Bouye says he turned down more money from the Chicago Bears in 2017 to join Jacksonville.

247sports.com

And remember when AJ Bouye chose less money to go to a winning franchise like the Jags, LMFAO.

And it states why in the article and has nothing to do with what your narrative is

"I like their talent. It was closer to home, and it's in the division. I'm happy here."

 

[remydat]

You do realize good teams tag players sometimes too right?

Not saying you cant tag guys. Saying you have to determine which guys will live with it and which guys like Quan or Bell will not. Anyone that has any awareness of the type of player Quan is should have known he was more likely to dig in.

 

[remydat]

And it states why in the article and has nothing to do with what your narrative is

"I like their talent. It was closer to home, and it's in the division. I'm happy here."

Right dont think he is going to burn bridges and say because the Bears screw players over.