Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[kapooncha]

Why would a team pay for an extra starter...

Go 4 man, limit pitches and innings so they can go on 3 days rest or if needed have a bullpen day..

Stock up the bullpen (cheaper in cost) with arms that can go multiple innings

Say you go 4 man and 1 or 2 of them get hurt? Season over.

 

[chibears55]

Say you go 4 man and 1 or 2 of them get hurt? Season over.

What the difference of 4 or 5 ????
Why you have depth in minors and the guys that would come in in the middle innings would be guys like Montgomery Butler, the emergency starter types...

Look I'm not saying it going to happen or should happen...lol
Just saying I wouldn't be surprised if we see this happening in a couple years with the way some teams are pulling starters early now and relying more on the bullpen..

 

[TL1961]

Run Prevention Coordinator? That's a thing? lol

Our opponents must have all had one (or more).

 

[Castor76]

6 man is 27 GS each. Works out even.

Getting 200 IP is avg 7.4 IP per start.

So let’s say the Avg is 7 IP per game. With 5 days off this is realistic as long as the starter doesn’t choke. But if that happens you have a 7th guy that can pitch 5 innings.

So pen 6+ 1 guy that can solve a **** up.

Then on avg the pen needs to cover 2 innings. So say 4 guys to keep the arms fresh.

11 pitchers.

That gives 1-2 roster spots for adjustments.


But I see it as you invest into your rotation and give them more time off but make them more of a active party in the result of their start. I would tossout pitch counts also. Makes them pusses

Even if you got just 7 innings per start you'd have fresher arms for the post season, which should be your goal. have two long guys for bad starts, a lefty specialist, set up, and closer and you have 11 guys pitching.

One thing I'd love to see is them expand the ML roster to 28 players with only 25 being active for any one game. Your 2Bman needs a day off, okay, you still have a full bench. Yesterday's starter is no good to you now, no problem. Tomorrow's starter is out of the question because he's going tomorrow. I'd have it that no more than 2 pitchers can be on the inactive roster, but just a suggestion.

 

[CSF77]

What the difference of 4 or 5 ????
Why you have depth in minors and the guys that would come in in the middle innings would be guys like Montgomery Butler, the emergency starter types...

Look I'm not saying it going to happen or should happen...lol
Just saying I wouldn't be surprised if we see this happening in a couple years with the way some teams are pulling starters early now and relying more on the bullpen..

That happens in the play offs more. Everything turns up a notch there.

There is nothing wrong going 6 deep in season then the 5-6 become your piggybacks.

Let’s test this:

Say Thor is up for trade. Cubs decide to sell Russell, Happ, and their top 2 arms. (Not saying that would do it). Then they go 6 deep. When the play offs start now you have to take 2 starters and make them pen arms. They decide to pull a Red Sox and make Yu the set up and Thor the closer...

In theory

 

[chibears55]

That happens in the play offs more. Everything turns up a notch there.

There is nothing wrong going 6 deep in season then the 5-6 become your piggybacks.

Let’s test this:

Say Thor is up for trade. Cubs decide to sell Russell, Happ, and their top 2 arms. (Not saying that would do it). Then they go 6 deep. When the play offs start now you have to take 2 starters and make them pen arms. They decide to pull a Red Sox and make Yu the set up and Thor the closer...

In theory

Ok....

 

[CSF77]

Ok....

It is ok to be wrong

 

[CSF77]

Even if you got just 7 innings per start you'd have fresher arms for the post season, which should be your goal. have two long guys for bad starts, a lefty specialist, set up, and closer and you have 11 guys pitching.

One thing I'd love to see is them expand the ML roster to 28 players with only 25 being active for any one game. Your 2Bman needs a day off, okay, you still have a full bench. Yesterday's starter is no good to you now, no problem. Tomorrow's starter is out of the question because he's going tomorrow. I'd have it that no more than 2 pitchers can be on the inactive roster, but just a suggestion.

You are kinda right but teams can use the 40 man already for depth. Most teams use 5 of those slots to protect rule V.

But getting into a theory craft.

Cubs have (going off that Thor trade)

Lester, Hamels, Hendricks, Q, Darvish, Thor

2 x 5 inning arms. Chatwood and Montgomery

4 late inning arms: Morrow, Cishek, Edwards, Strop

12 pitchers. Then sign Britton or Miller. They could also use Edwards in the Thor trade and go after both Miller and Britton to really go for a high leverage pen.

All in theory of course.

I believe that the O was a mechanical issue myself. It should fix itself.

 

[chibears55]

It is ok to be wrong

It not a right or wrong topic ..lol

I had an opinion on what I think could happen in the future..lol
Same thing like you do when you come up with a million trade or signing ideas
It what you think could happen

You think it could go 6 in the future that fine, no reason to breakdown and dissect that topic

We can move on

 

[chibears55]

If the Cubs were to trade for Syndergaard, as I seen their 1 of the 6 teams interested...

I think it would only be because they either dont think Darvish will be ready to start the season or their considering trading either Hendricks or Quintana for a needed bat

 

[kapooncha]

If the Cubs were to trade for Syndergaard, as I seen their 1 of the 6 teams interested...

I think it would only be because they either dont think Darvish will be ready to start the season or their considering trading either Hendricks or Quintana for a needed bat

Cubs aren't trading Hendricks. That's asinine.

 

[CSF77]

If the Cubs were to trade for Syndergaard, as I seen their 1 of the 6 teams interested...

I think it would only be because they either dont think Darvish will be ready to start the season or their considering trading either Hendricks or Quintana for a needed bat

Cubs are 1 of the teams rumored involved and Yes it would be because of Yu.

I would pursue it myself. Hamels is off the books next year and it makes sense. This year they could push either Q or Yu into the pen vs signing a F/A

Not sure how needed it is. They led the NL in OBA and BA and runs scored pre ASG. I believe it was due to Almora pushing a .320 BA and a healthy Zobrist. Honestly they have enough talent. They need to get back to what was working.

 

[CSF77]

Cubs aren't trading Hendricks. That's asinine.

I wouldn’t trade anyone. I would add Thor to split Lester and Hamels. Hendricks is my 4 then. Now my 5 is Darvish unless he is a injury risk then he goes to the pen and Q is my 5.

They need a quality lefty in the pen and they have Q and Montgomery already.

 

[brett05]

If the Cubs were to trade for Syndergaard, as I seen their 1 of the 6 teams interested...

I think it would only be because they either dont think Darvish will be ready to start the season or their considering trading either Hendricks or Quintana for a needed bat

They have NOTHING to offer for Noah unless they are starting with Bryant.

 

[chibears55]

They have NOTHING to offer for Noah unless they are starting with Bryant.

I said IF...lol

I saw the Bryant one and I believe the suggestion with Astros was Correa

I just find it funny that Cubs camp been quieter then usual at this time..

I'm anticipating a big splash at the meetings via trade or FA signing or just some small additions to the offense and bullpen

 

[anotheridiot]

If the Cubs were to trade for Syndergaard, as I seen their 1 of the 6 teams interested...

I think it would only be because they either dont think Darvish will be ready to start the season or their considering trading either Hendricks or Quintana for a needed bat

somebody has to want Heyward with the cubs picking up half the deal.

 

[CSF77]

They have NOTHING to offer for Noah unless they are starting with Bryant.

Bryant: 23.1 WAR
Noah: 15.1 WAR.

I think you are backwards here. Both with almost equal time served.

 

[CSF77]

somebody has to want Heyward with the cubs picking up half the deal.

Right now he has neutral wRC+ and plus D. 23 AAV is a bit steep for that. 12-15 AAV is a realistic amount. I could see a trade for a 15 AAV player with the difference covered. Only worth it if the player you are getting is a better fit.

 

[DanTown]

My hope for the rotation would be this

Lester
Hendricks
Hamels
Quintana
Darvish/Chatwood
Motgomery

Morrow Up (he never pitches two days in a row)
CL - Morrow
SU - Strop, Chavez, Britton/Miller, Cishek
MR - Edwards, Duensing

Morrow Down
CL - Britton/Miller
SU - Strop, Chavez, Cishek
MR - Edwards, Duensing

I can live with that. Come playoffs, you look for one more arm so you can keep the guys fresh (especially come September)

 

[DanTown]

Right now he has neutral wRC+ and plus D. 23 AAV is a bit steep for that. 12-15 AAV is a realistic amount. I could see a trade for a 15 AAV player with the difference covered. Only worth it if the player you are getting is a better fit.

One, I'm pretty sure the AAV for any team acquiring Heyward is only the rest of the deal so that's a little less for them than the Cubs.

Two, the best deal for the Cubs would be one where they help a team out and take a bunch of one year or two year money to save them away from the tax to allow them to spend more money. An interesting deal would be something like Heyward + Montgomery + Maples + Russell for Melancon + Samardijza. SF saves a ton of money, gets a few young prospects, and Heyward would likely help them defensively in RF in that ball park so even though they pay a lot, they get something they drastically need.